IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

4 Pages V  < 1 2 3 4 >  
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Nationals: Math, um... yeah Math is on the 8th of April
Stephen That Fos...
post Nov 9 2009, 08:26 PM
Post #41


Imagine
***

Group: Yellow Perils
Posts: 225
Joined: 1-May 09
From: The Northwest Pennsylvania Collegiate Academy
Member No.: 77



QUOTE (JBroms @ Nov 9 2009, 11:02 AM) *
QUOTE (Stephen That Foster @ Nov 9 2009, 04:53 PM) *
Well the fact that you've taken more of those tests is just it. You know how to take those tests. You are "experience(d)" with them. Many people have not, and cannot practice for them, so they will be horribly inconvenienced by this.

And if you look, I told you exactly whose math score was "bringing down the house" and you've seen his opinion on it.


http://usad.org/students/Students_online.asp
there you go, 30 dollars and you can officially practice.
now do me a favor and stop making people say "LOLPA"

What JBroms said is exactly my point. Many teams struggle to raise the money just to get to nationals. It seems unlikely they'll be able to gather up an extra $30 per student. So they are putting those schools at a horrible disadvantage since they will not have the means to practice.

Now do me a favor and stop siding against me, and in the process logic and reason everytime I raise a solid point. THAT is more worthy of an "LOL" than anything I've ever said.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Stanley Tree
post Nov 9 2009, 09:19 PM
Post #42


Don't compare my beat with his...
***

Group: Nazgul
Posts: 2,248
Joined: 1-May 09
From: Pearland, Texas
Member No.: 14



To bring this back a bit, a month of extra math certainly helps. Yea, you need years of math experience already, but certain basic functions (trig identities, trig replacements, volume and area formulas) are a large part of the downfall of many math scores; things you can memorize in a week. This idea that you can't practice math just as much as you practice langlit, art, music has no foundation in reason. "Oh no, I suck at math, I can't ever learn it" should never stop anyone from attempting to learn it; in fact, it should encourage.

And Widget and Stephen need to cut this smurf out.


--------------------
Pearland Academic Decathlon Alumnus '08
Dulles HS Girls Soccer Coach
Dulles HS Volunteer Decathlon Coach

Sans Regrets
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Bhushan Deshpand...
post Nov 9 2009, 09:49 PM
Post #43


Advanced Member
***

Group: Purple Hazes
Posts: 60
Joined: 14-May 09
Member No.: 166



I have to say, as a Nationals medal winner in math last year, this is quite ridiculous. The bigger issue is not the extra three weeks of studying - I studied for perhaps fifteen minutes for math, and that was just making sure I could recall the basic area and volume formulas, trig identities, derivatives and integrals. If you need to study or learn certain things, MIT opencourseware has Calculus I and II online for no charge, and all schools will have books up through Precalculus.

The real issue is that copying answers from an written set of answers to an online system is simply pointless, and adds nothing to the contest. The system seemed to work fine at Memphis last year; I cannot see why there is a reason to change it. Time is already quite crunched for most students in math. I ("educatedly"-)guessed on two problems at Nationals because of time issues; this new system will probably mean that I would have to stop two minutes earlier (skipping at least a problem or two) to make sure I enter in the answers correctly. I hope that USAD will reconsider, but somehow I doubt it.

This post has been edited by Bhushan Deshpande: Nov 9 2009, 09:50 PM


--------------------
Bhushan Deshpande
2009 Nationals Team, Scholastic 5
2010 Nationals Team, Scholastic 4
Acton-Boxborough Regional High School Class of 2010
Acton, Massachusetts
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
laureus
post Nov 9 2009, 11:13 PM
Post #44


Advanced Member
***

Group: Blue Man Group
Posts: 402
Joined: 5-November 09
Member No.: 308



When I was a junior, an extra month definitely helped because I learned some stuff on the nats test in school in that one month. Besides what you actually learn in regular class, there isn't too much difference since you could just learn/review the stuff a month earlier. However, more time is still beneficial, especially for lower scoring decathletes, since there are a lot of easy stuff they can pick up rather quickly. But it's always the people who can benefit the most from studying math who refuse to do it.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
TheAwesomeKid
post Nov 9 2009, 11:48 PM
Post #45


Sultan of Bahrain
***

Group: Purple Hazes
Posts: 1,293
Joined: 2-May 09
Member No.: 95



guys, we know reeve is usually a complete dbag, but he's being pretty reasonable.
For a lot of schools, 300 dollars isn't throwaway money (30x9+alternate) - this makes it harder to practice online.
As a matter of fact, it is tougher to practice for online math tests, simply because of the years of experience we have doing it pen and paper.
An extra month of practice may not help a certain individual, but it will almost certainly help any team that isn't Klein. You can always learn more math.

Nothing he's said is unreasonable, even if the way he says it is.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
debator
post Nov 9 2009, 11:54 PM
Post #46


Oh, hello Dripping Yellow Madness
***

Group: Nazgul
Posts: 9,526
Joined: 1-May 09
From: Park City
Member No.: 17



i think we can all agree that USAD is being unreasonable here for a variety of reasons. fair?


--------------------
T-REX THAT'S HORSE RACIST
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
TheAwesomeKid
post Nov 10 2009, 12:02 AM
Post #47


Sultan of Bahrain
***

Group: Purple Hazes
Posts: 1,293
Joined: 2-May 09
Member No.: 95



essentially, yes.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
tryingtothinkaga...
post Nov 10 2009, 12:12 AM
Post #48


Pagan god of varsity math and wtf's wrong with you
***

Group: Soylent Greens
Posts: 2,887
Joined: 2-May 09
From: Pearland, TX
Member No.: 97



as um a two-time nationals gold medalist...
I really don't think this will turn out very well, after thinking about it for a while. It does theoretically have the potential to increase score on the whole a bit as people focus on subjects other than math for a month or so, but I find that highly unlikely. In all, I can find no way in which this would help decathletes as a whole. It provides just a few more ways for things to go horribly wrong. And personally, I wouldn't have wanted to risk my score in math to a computer malfunction, as much as the rest you seem to have not cared about your math scores.
Anyone remember the difference between Moorpark and WW in '08?


--------------------
Teddy Roosevelt's ghost 2012!

"Also, I can kill you with my brain."

QUOTE (BearMan @ Feb 2 2012, 01:52 PM) *
oO You must have been a godly varsity.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
caveman
post Nov 10 2009, 02:14 AM
Post #49


Newbie
*

Group: Red Herrings
Posts: 5
Joined: 12-June 09
From: Illinois
Member No.: 198



what the person above me said. as someone who went to nat's last year, and hopes to go again, i'm not looking forward to this. any chance they'll change their minds?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
debator
post Nov 10 2009, 02:30 AM
Post #50


Oh, hello Dripping Yellow Madness
***

Group: Nazgul
Posts: 9,526
Joined: 1-May 09
From: Park City
Member No.: 17



i love how everyone is pimping themselves in order to lend credence to their opinions.


--------------------
T-REX THAT'S HORSE RACIST
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
DrSir
post Nov 10 2009, 02:41 AM
Post #51


Advanced Member
***

Group: Red Herrings
Posts: 88
Joined: 2-May 09
Member No.: 91



QUOTE (debator @ Nov 9 2009, 08:30 PM) *
i love how everyone is pimping themselves in order to lend credence to their opinions.


Not many other sources of Ethos haha...
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
zzzptm
post Nov 10 2009, 04:29 AM
Post #52


HRH, King of DemiDecTalk and of DDT Dominions Beyond the Seas
***

Group: Admin
Posts: 8,388,607
Joined: 1-May 09
Member No.: 1



Good gosh JBroms is the voice of reason... what's next, Research Monkey reporting accurate scores?

OK, so the math will be online. That is a shocker.

USAD already makes students sign an honesty contract or whatever it is that declares one is not cheating on one's tests and that one's calculators are legit and that they do not have CAS.

If a proctor/coach is not paying close attention, though, students could inadvertently be using calculators that are similar to permitted ones but that are themselves not permitted. It wouldn't necessarily be malicious, but it could happen and goose things in a bad way.

Even so, we're already seeing Texas state competitions no longer check calculators. My students told me last year of a coach that handed out calculators after a proctor had already passed by his kids. They then jumped to the conclusion that such calculators had stored formulas or other advantages, which then tainted their trust of scores from that event. As a coach, such stories nag at the back of my mind, I have to confess.

That this decision comes as a surprise makes it doubly worse. It simply should not be that way.


--------------------
"我很警惕。I am very vigilant. 不要激怒我. Do not anger me."

Dean "Zzzptm" Webb... the "m" is silent and "Zzzptm" is only one syllable...
Berkner HS AcDec
Richardson, Tx
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Jonesy
post Nov 10 2009, 09:36 AM
Post #53


Captain Hypertension
***

Group: Usual Suspects
Posts: 5,479
Joined: 1-May 09
From: neither here nor there
Member No.: 51



QUOTE (zzzptm @ Nov 9 2009, 10:29 PM) *
JBroms is the voice of reason

I feel like I should sig this for posterity.


--------------------
QUOTE (Crow @ Mar 30 2010, 12:24 AM) *
Jonesy, who is, of course, the measurement of all things manly on this site
QUOTE (zzzptm @ Nov 9 2009, 10:29 PM) *
JBroms is the voice of reason
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
CouchBeck
post Dec 4 2009, 07:03 PM
Post #54


Advanced Member
***

Group: Coach Class
Posts: 94
Joined: 7-May 09
From: Northwest Georgia - LFO H.S.
Member No.: 145



I have been told that the math test being taken online may not be set in stone. (numerous complaints anyone?)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
zzzptm
post Dec 5 2009, 12:12 AM
Post #55


HRH, King of DemiDecTalk and of DDT Dominions Beyond the Seas
***

Group: Admin
Posts: 8,388,607
Joined: 1-May 09
Member No.: 1



Hopefully, they'll also decide to check caluculators...


--------------------
"我很警惕。I am very vigilant. 不要激怒我. Do not anger me."

Dean "Zzzptm" Webb... the "m" is silent and "Zzzptm" is only one syllable...
Berkner HS AcDec
Richardson, Tx
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Abuelo
post Dec 7 2009, 06:19 PM
Post #56


Advanced Member
***

Group: Coach Class
Posts: 363
Joined: 4-May 09
From: LAUSD
Member No.: 123



Math test online is wrong. Another reason to do WSC instead.

cool.gif
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
teeling
post Dec 7 2009, 07:20 PM
Post #57


board emperor emeritus
***

Group: Admin
Posts: 223
Joined: 1-May 09
Member No.: 2



Cliff, anything in the works for LAUSD as far as WSC?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Abuelo
post Dec 7 2009, 08:24 PM
Post #58


Advanced Member
***

Group: Coach Class
Posts: 363
Joined: 4-May 09
From: LAUSD
Member No.: 123



QUOTE (teeling @ Dec 7 2009, 07:20 PM) *
Cliff, anything in the works for LAUSD as far as WSC?




DDD has met twice with the LAUSD Aca Deca Coaches. It seemed that he got a very favorable response but he would have to give you the specifics. We will have 67 teams in our regional competition this year and I anticipate more in 2011.

cool.gif
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
debator
post Dec 7 2009, 10:13 PM
Post #59


Oh, hello Dripping Yellow Madness
***

Group: Nazgul
Posts: 9,526
Joined: 1-May 09
From: Park City
Member No.: 17



jaw-dropping.gif

that is a big number.


--------------------
T-REX THAT'S HORSE RACIST
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
raconteur
post Dec 8 2009, 11:13 PM
Post #60


Advanced Member
***

Group: Coach Class
Posts: 48
Joined: 1-May 09
From: Madison, MS
Member No.: 44



Today I received an email from our state director stating that USAD wanted input regarding having math online. Has anyone else received any kind of info or feedback on this issue? I get the impression that having online math for nationals is not written in stone. However, it could be a smoke screen.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

4 Pages V  < 1 2 3 4 >
Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 16th April 2014 - 07:34 AM