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Stanley Tree
Posted on: Dec 11 2017, 11:16 PM


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This may be the most info we've had for a round 1 ever. Pretty neat.

Dulles' team:
Sophie Yangyi
Jeffrey Zhang

Sam Steinman-Friedman
Moeez Tariq
Vani Vellore
Matthew Gabino

Leighton Nylander
Tejas Tuppera
Logan House

It was not a fun day, I will tell you that much. Telling 13 kids you're done is never easy. Especially when many of them were so close.
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Stanley Tree
Posted on: Dec 11 2017, 03:59 PM


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QUOTE (madcap @ Dec 11 2017, 05:07 AM) *
QUOTE (JakeLHS @ Dec 10 2017, 10:35 PM) *
QUOTE (TinDefacto @ Dec 11 2017, 04:24 AM) *
QUOTE (madcap @ Dec 10 2017, 10:14 PM) *
There probably is no significant difference between version 1 and version 2 difficulty on the Round 1 tests.

Yeah, after a more in-depth look, I'm leaning toward a similar conclusion, though I do think SS and Art were slightly harder on this version (on v2 compared to v1). Even so, that only accounts for a fairly small difference. For most intents and purposes, I'd say they're about equal.

But ECR had more than a month more time to prepare for this meet and still scored around 2000 points less. You shouldn't be surprised that some people improved, they had a lot of time to do so. We would expect nearly everyone to improve over that time frame on equal tests, when in fact their team did much worse on average. By the same reasoning, you would conclude these tests were about the same difficulty as the easy tests, since half of Lubbock's team improved in the month between tests and our score only dropped a bit over 1000 points. In fact that's an even better argument since we had a (slightly) shorter time gap and a much lower score drop between the easy tests and these than ECR had between Round 1s, but obviously, these were much harder than the easy tests and likewise than the v1 tests.


Possibly. Scores are volatile. Sometimes the hardest-working and best people on the hardest-working and best teams just decrease.


I still think these were the harder tests just based on what my kids were telling me throughout the day, but each team does prep different- ECR could've been in the middle of a cycle, or used this as a vacation, or whatever. There are multiple factors for why ECR could have decreased.

I will say I am glad to see the round 1 tests get a little more serious. I hope that continues throughout the year- I was worried that they would be too easy and lead to heavy inflation (they still might be too easy).

Congrats to Piper that is insane. Let's hope she can reproduce at an official meet (spoilers: of course she will).
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Stanley Tree
Posted on: Dec 11 2017, 03:30 AM


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How did the varsities drop so much? I think some outside influence happened on that- sickness or airplane situations or something.
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Posted on: Dec 11 2017, 01:30 AM


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It's state-based, each state director gets a certain version
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Stanley Tree
Posted on: Dec 10 2017, 09:39 PM


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I think we could add a footnote about v.2 to a reference from v.1. Like have the asterisk thingy, and have the asterisk explain their score. You cannot understand the difference between v1 and v2 and who had it and who didn't anyways, so it doesn't really matter. Those who care to know the different will understand.
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Stanley Tree
Posted on: Dec 10 2017, 02:14 AM


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QUOTE (JakeLHS @ Dec 10 2017, 02:04 AM) *
QUOTE (Stanley Tree @ Dec 10 2017, 02:51 AM) *
Dulles High School

Sophie, Jr.- 6345.7 (8841.7)
Jeff, Sr.- 5882.9 (8482.9)
Adarsha, Jr.- 5462.9 (8334.9)

Sam, Sr.- 6,365.7 (8901.7)
Moeez, Sr.- 6,042.9 (8788.9)
Deep, Jr.- 5,582.9 (8284.9)
Vani, Sr.- 5,417.1 (7947.1)
Abirami, Sr.- 5,354.3 (7828.3)
Matthew, Jr.- 5,337.1 (7467.1)
Alan, Jr.- 5,254.3 (7828.3)
Dara, Sr.- 4,957.1 (7246.1)
Olivia, Jr.- 4,837.1 (7172.1)
Ethan, Jr.- 4,588.6 (7298.6)
Emily, Jr.- 4,525.7 (6,856.7)
Ethan, Jr.- 3,734.3 (5938.3)

Leighton, Sr.- 5,925.7 (8571.7)
Tejas, Sr.- 5,100 (7,235)
Raven, Sr.- 4,840 (7,276)
Logan, Jr.- 4,648.6 (7024.6)
Smit, Jr.- 4,091.4 (6,141.4)
Rachel, Jr.- 4,040 (4,739- sick for speech/interview)
Ali, Jr.- 3,894.3 (6,298.3)

Total- 35,662.9 (50,821.9)

Subjects
Math- 5,342.9
Music- 4,440
Eco- 5,020
Science- 5,140
Lit- 5,340
Art- 5,140
SoS- 5,240

These tests were much harder than previous sets, which is encouraging since I was worried this year would be highly inflated. It may still be inflated, but music, eco, and science were all supremely difficult.

Boy oh boy do we have some tough decisions to make on who makes the team.

Wow, Sam killed it. That might be the top total score in Texas, unless Michael Xie beat him. How harsh are your judges?


Sophie from J.J. Pearce beat him. Essay was super rough, interview and speech were on the easier side.
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Stanley Tree
Posted on: Dec 10 2017, 01:51 AM


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Dulles High School

Sophie, Jr.- 6345.7 (8841.7)
Jeff, Sr.- 5882.9 (8482.9)
Adarsha, Jr.- 5462.9 (8334.9)

Sam, Sr.- 6,365.7 (8901.7)
Moeez, Sr.- 6,042.9 (8788.9)
Deep, Jr.- 5,582.9 (8284.9)
Vani, Sr.- 5,417.1 (7947.1)
Abirami, Sr.- 5,354.3 (7828.3)
Matthew, Jr.- 5,337.1 (7467.1)
Alan, Jr.- 5,254.3 (7828.3)
Dara, Sr.- 4,957.1 (7246.1)
Olivia, Jr.- 4,837.1 (7172.1)
Ethan, Jr.- 4,588.6 (7298.6)
Emily, Jr.- 4,525.7 (6,856.7)
Ethan, Jr.- 3,734.3 (5938.3)

Leighton, Sr.- 5,925.7 (8571.7)
Tejas, Sr.- 5,100 (7,235)
Raven, Sr.- 4,840 (7,276)
Logan, Jr.- 4,648.6 (7024.6)
Smit, Jr.- 4,091.4 (6,141.4)
Rachel, Jr.- 4,040 (4,739- sick for speech/interview)
Ali, Jr.- 3,894.3 (6,298.3)

Total- 35,662.9 (50,821.9)

Subjects
Math- 5,342.9
Music- 4,440
Eco- 5,020
Science- 5,140
Lit- 5,340
Art- 5,140
SoS- 5,240

These tests were much harder than previous sets, which is encouraging since I was worried this year would be highly inflated. It may still be inflated, but music, eco, and science were all supremely difficult.

Boy oh boy do we have some tough decisions to make on who makes the team.
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Stanley Tree
Posted on: Dec 9 2017, 11:11 PM


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Dulles 35669
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Stanley Tree
Posted on: Dec 6 2017, 08:06 PM


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QUOTE (TinDefacto @ Dec 6 2017, 05:41 PM) *
I guess we got kinda off-topic, but UIL announced its new cutoff numbers! 6A starts at a whopping 2190 and above, meaning that Highland Park is within Medium range, and that Friendswood will be moving down. Looking through that David Campbell list, it looks like they've added Lubbock schools, and all will stay Medium. Naaman Forest will also be moving down (meaning Highland Park will no longer be the sole Medium school in Region X). However, the number for Summit listed is actually 2215.5... meaning that, if these numbers are correct, it does look like they will be moving to Large after all!


They really did it. Kept hp in medium again. 2190 was the closest number they could do while allowing them to be 5a.

Edit: looking at the numbers it keeps the same number of teams in both 6a and 5a so it seems fair.
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Posted on: Dec 3 2017, 07:43 PM


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QUOTE (Dan Z @ Dec 3 2017, 07:39 PM) *
QUOTE (Stanley Tree @ Dec 3 2017, 07:04 PM) *
The large majority of Texas will be this coming weekend. Personally hoping for high 36-low 37, but since I don't think we've seen anyone take this version I'm not sure how hard/easy it is. We've given the kiddos a lot of freedom- we haven't had a real schedule since Thanksgiving so we will see how it goes. We are about to finish the PTB, if anyone else has done it I will post our result. We did it over the course of a week though so the results may vary.

I wish you well at the upcoming week's meet. I noticed the only round 1 scores are from J.J. Pierce, Richardson, L.V. Bernker, and Lake Highlands. Would you happen to know if they travelled out-of-state to take the round 1 test, or has there been meets prior to December that were more than scrimmages? I am too new at this to make any predictions, just know I want the kiddos to perform well.


Most of the state will be this coming weekend on the 9th. Those teams had their district meet very early, and most Texas teams take theirs in December. So you will have a good idea where you guys are after this coming weekend, although most small school teams either don't do these or don't publish their score. Good luck to you too, and thank you smile.gif
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Posted on: Dec 3 2017, 07:04 PM


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The large majority of Texas will be this coming weekend. Personally hoping for high 36-low 37, but since I don't think we've seen anyone take this version I'm not sure how hard/easy it is. We've given the kiddos a lot of freedom- we haven't had a real schedule since Thanksgiving so we will see how it goes. We are about to finish the PTB, if anyone else has done it I will post our result. We did it over the course of a week though so the results may vary.
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Posted on: Nov 29 2017, 11:57 AM


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Schools not on list:
Coppell
Nimitz
Plano East
Plano Senior
Marcus
Lubbock
Lubbock Monterey

Both of the Lubbock schools were pretty close to the cutoff last time, especially Monterey.
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Posted on: Nov 29 2017, 11:53 AM


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I remember last time we looked at this Summit was just below the cutoff. If the number is around 2170 or so, then they will not avoid the jump this year sad.gif

There's an old wive's tale about the 6a cutoff being "Highland Park +1". I don't think that will hold this year, although UIL gives themselves a wide berth of selecting where the cutoff is. Friendswood will definitely move down, and the Lubbock schools are not reported on here, so it will be interesting to see where they end up for medium championship purposes.
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Posted on: Nov 20 2017, 08:14 PM


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QUOTE (TinDefacto @ Nov 20 2017, 08:44 PM) *
Top Texas schools with populations under 1300:
  • Lebanon Trail
  • Talkington
  • Townview Talented & Gifted
  • Townview Science & Engineering
  • John Paul II
  • Bandera
  • Sam Houston
  • Taylor (not James E. Taylor)
  • Estacado
  • IL Texas Garland
  • A.C. Jones


QUOTE (AK_WDB @ Nov 20 2017, 03:25 PM) *
Why does USAD keep bringing in new teams and not allowing them to compete for the team championship? First teams from China that can't beat US teams, now wild card teams that can't beat the state champions. Pretty soon more than half of all teams at nationals will be ineligible to win.

I think that actually is already the case... I mean, if all 23 states bring second teams, and there's 15 international, let's say, then there'd have to be 38 state champions there to match that... and last year there were only 32.


I agree that it is a bit absurd. China teams are now eligible I believe though. If it was my team that was invited to division 4 I don't think I would go.
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Posted on: Nov 17 2017, 02:14 PM


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QUOTE (TinDefacto @ Nov 17 2017, 02:13 PM) *
QUOTE (JSC @ Nov 17 2017, 06:47 AM) *
QUOTE (TinDefacto @ Nov 4 2017, 06:12 PM) *
QUOTE (AK_WDB @ Nov 4 2017, 03:41 PM) *
"The criteria for selection will be that the team participating in Division IV will be from a different division than the state championship team unless there are no divisions in that state."

This makes it sound like the cutoff is based on the state organization's divisions, not USAD divisions.

It does! That's exactly why I asked about it; they confirmed it's by USAD divisions. Don't know why they decided to word it like that.

I'm pretty sure that (a time long ago) in the past the USAD divisions were determined ad hoc, once the state champions advanced. I remember the irony that when a "medium" Texas school advanced, they were placed in the large division at nationals. Or something like that.

In other words, at one time in the past the USAD size divisions were simply slices among the pool of teams that made it.

It still works like that actually. So although they start with schools with populations 750-1300 in DII, they'll wiggle it a bit to make them more equal/make sure each division has at least a quarter of the competing schools in them -- not too ad hoc. Texas just has really big schools compared to the rest of the country, so almost all Medium schools in Texas are well beyond 1300, meaning well into the 'Large' division for USAD. tongue.gif


I think some of the schools in Texas considered "medium" should probably be large, considering that a 2,000 person school is not medium size. Maybe like 1,600?
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Posted on: Nov 17 2017, 11:22 AM


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QUOTE (JSC @ Nov 17 2017, 11:10 AM) *
What happened here, Andrew? I'd love to see this one fleshed out. These are two pretty legendary programs just outside the top ten...


School happened smile.gif I have the data still just need time. Maybe over Thanksgiving I'll get through the next five and finish the last five as a christmas gift. The time I need to do this is much harder to come by as an adult.
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Posted on: Nov 12 2017, 09:13 PM


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Placements at least:

Honors
1. Taylor
2. Dulles
3. FW
4. FW
5. Taylor

Scholastic
1. Dulles
2. Taylor
3. SL
4. Dulles
5. Dulles

Varsity
1. Dulles
2. Dulles
3. Dulles
4. Dulles
5. RP
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Posted on: Nov 12 2017, 03:09 AM


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We finally covered music. We were so bad at it in class I'm honestly shocked at the team score. We've done a good job of combining that with reviewing for older subjects. Econ still left to cover in depth but we've done some work in it. These kids rock. They've worked their butts off.
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Posted on: Nov 12 2017, 12:48 AM


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Dulles- 34,602.9

Honors
Sophie (11)- 6,337.1 (2nd)
Jeffrey (12)- 6,062.9
Adarsha (11)- 5,091.4

Scholastic
Sam (12)- 6,177.1 (1st)
Alan (11)- 5,374.3 (4th)
Abirami (12)- 5,371.4 (5th)
Moeez (12)- 5,297.1
Vani (12)- 5,025.7
Dara (12)- 5,008.6
Deep (11)- 4,934.3
Matthew (11)- 4,931.4
Ethan (11)- 4,594.3
Emily (11)- 3,960

Varsity
Leighton (12)- 5,788.6 (1st)
Logan (11)- 4,862.9 (2nd)
Tejas (12)- 4,845.7 (3rd)
Raven (12)- 4,837.1 (4th)
Rachel (11)- 3,602.9
Ali (11)- 3,554.3
Smit (11)- 3,100

Math- 4,942.9
Music- 5,260
Eco- 4,600
Science- 5,240
Lit- 4,380 (very hard)
Art- 5,420
SoSci- 4,860


Overall results:
1. Dulles 34,602.9
2. Katy Taylor 31,762.8
3. Friendswood 31,222.9
4. Seven Lakes 3,0222.8
5. Clear Lake 27,537.1
6. Morton Ranch 26,371.3
7. Clear Springs 25,962.9
8. Barbers Hill 25,885.8
9. Cinco Ranch 25,277
10. Alvin 25,017.2
11. Clear Creek 24,832.3
12. Pearland 23,788.6 (missing a varsity)
13. Ridge Point 23,120
14. Turner 22,859.9
15. Dickinson 19,891.4
16. Manvel 18,585.7
17. North Shore 13,325.7
18. Pasadena 11,294.2
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Posted on: Nov 10 2017, 06:44 PM


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The only thing the LA scores are good for is to know how hard the tests are this year.
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I thought it was randomly chosen as well? As in the state would be randomly chosen? I don't really see the point of this other than "more teams" at nationals which is cool, but they can't even compete for the full championship or team scores? I don't get it. Are the teams from China still participating? I thought the original reason to stop inviting 2nd place teams was so that the schools from China could compete. Also, it says it has to be from a different division- is that based on USAD divisions, or state divisions?

Lots of questions here...
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Posted on: Oct 29 2017, 03:31 PM


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Teams who performed well last year we have yet to see:
Lubbock
Lubbock Monterey
Dobie
Clear Lake
Frisco Wakeland

there's always the "jump outta nowhere" dynamic that can easily happen.
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Posted on: Oct 27 2017, 12:03 PM


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QUOTE (melanie98 @ Oct 26 2017, 09:27 PM) *
I have an especially large class for Acadec this year. I'm looking for some ideas about what to do with my students who do NOT make the team. I normally put them on what we call the "study" or "support" team and ask them to do things that help out the competition team (flashcards, posters, whatever) but it never really works well because I am distracted during class with my competition students. Does anybody do anything brilliant?


What we've done in the past is that any underclassmen who do not make the team but want to compete the next year will stay in and work on economics and math in preparation for the next year, as well as writing a speech. This gives them a nice base to work from come March when the whole team is back together. We will then incorporate the competition team back into the full team after state to start working on the novel for the next year which is usually announced right after state. Any seniors who do not make the team have been put into a teacher aid class, but we're going to see if they want to stick around this year. We want to create a culture for these kids, and telling them that they're no longer part of the program their last semester seems exploitative. We will probably have them do the same stuff the others are doing minus a speech. Still haven't figured that out.
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The tests were certainly easier than last year's- sosci was normal, there was no insanely hard test (art was the closest), and math was an uber joke where last year it was just easy. I'd say that was worth 1,000 points over last year in general, if not more.
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Dulles- 35,217

Honors
Sophie (11th)- 6,400 (4th)
Jeffrey (12th)- 5,680
Adarsha (11th)- 5,300

Scholastic
Sam (12th)- 6,331 (1st)
Abirami (12th)- 5,506 (4th)
Moeez (12th)- 5,466
Deep (11th)- 5,106
Vani (12th)- 5,097
Alan (11th)- 5,029
Olivia (11th)- 4,946
Matthew (11th)- 4,906
Dara (12th)- 4,654
Emily (11th)- 4,343
Chase (11th)- 4,029

Varsity
Leighton (12th)- 6,220 (1st)
Raven (12th)- 5,080 (2nd)
Tejas (12th)- 4,754
Logan (11th)- 4,751
Smit (11th)- 4,457
Ali (11th)- 3,986
Rachel (11th)- 3,894

Subjects
Math- 5,857 (joke of a test)
Music- 4,140
Eco- 4,540
Science- 5,580
Lit- 5,420
Art- 4,600
SoSci- 5,080


Pretty proud of the kiddos we have a lot of great kids this year. We have only covered art, sosci, and science in class, so all the other scores are just the kids on their own time putting in work, so when we get to them we should have a clearer idea of where we are. With the two extra weeks from no hurricane, and one extra for the meet, I expect that some of the north Texas teams to beat us, but I think we have a great group that can do some truly amazing things.
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