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Stanley Tree
post Apr 15 2017, 10:54 PM
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***Edit: This has been updated to take into account all teams who have made state. If you notice an error please PM me. If you are a coach or simply someone interested in numbers who would like to help provide interesting information or even possibily a brief write up on your school please let me know.

Hey all, so on this 3-day weekend, in an attempt to avoid grading or cleaning my apartment, I spent the last hour or so on yet another scoring project. It has been a while since the last time I tried to do this, and I think I have some more interesting info to produce. As last time, I won't just post it all at once, but write it out with some narration involved. If this picks up steam, I will ask others to help post this stuff since I won't be able to on a daily basis.

First off, the data came from the Demidecscores wiki page on top 10 Texas teams each year. If you have been there before, it is a cool little time capsule piece we built a few years ago. You can also see that any good info from years before that are lost to time as of now, and hopefully will be recovered; until that time, know that JJ Pearce dominated the early years of decathlon both in the state and nationally. They would be a few more spots higher if we added those in (they are already pretty high), but we have to make do as of now.

Secondly, the scoring process was ripped from Formula 1- a sport I love and thought had a pretty good scoring system; there is a lot of reward for being 1st over 2nd, a bit less for 2nd-4th, then declining until the gap between 9th and 10th is one point. I like this as it makes winning a state championship important, but not as important as being 2nd two years in a row.

1st- 25 points
2nd- 18 points
3rd- 15
4th- 12
5th- 10
6th- 8
7th- 6
8th- 4
9th- 2
10th- 1

It felt like a good swath of results, especially compared to the reverse scoring with 10 for 1st and 1 for 10th, as it doesn't reward winning as much.

I have also isolated some numbers to look at other interesting points- best of the 90s/2000s/2010s, for example- that can also be neat to look at. I will start dripping this out tonight, I just need to figure out where to start with it. Hope you guys enjoy what is to come.

There are definitely caveats to be made- several teams who have made state multiple times, if not ten or more, simply will not be present on this list. The amount of info we have on all the teams that have made state is even less than we have on top 10s- it is close, but also that would seriously take some time that I don't have right now. One of those problems shows up pretty clearly in the first two teams on the list.


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post Apr 16 2017, 02:30 AM
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Hooray stats! "Math playhouse for the AcaDeca community!" Looking forward to your commentary! smile.gif Well put about Foster. I enjoy AD history.


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post Apr 18 2017, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE (Stanley Tree @ Apr 16 2017, 10:29 AM) *
t-49. Rowlett High School- Rowlett/Garland ISD/Region X

Founded- 1996
First Appearance- 2002
State Appearances- 9
Highest score- 41,381 (2006)

10th place, 2006
Total Points- 1

Rowlett is in the same school district as Garland HS, a team we will see much much later, which we have seen be a vector of improvement throughout the state. The team went on a string of 10 years with 9 appearances at state from 2002 until 2011, but have not been back since. They sit in the powerhouse region X, and lately have tended to be the last team out of state in the region. Their appearances at state have mostly ended in the 37-39k range, with two times scoring over 40k, one of those putting them in the top 10 in one of the weakest years in Texas history. A solid program with decent consistency in the 2000s, I don't think we would stack them with Foster typically as Foster is consistently better.

I am pretty sure that Gear coached at Rowlett before he coached at South Garland. I am not sure when he was there though.
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post Apr 18 2017, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE (Stanley Tree @ Apr 16 2017, 03:05 PM) *
t-45. MacArthur High School/Irving/Irving ISD/Region IX

Founded- 1963
First Appearance- 1990
State Appearances- 7, possibly 8
Highest score- 42,513 (1990)

9th place, 1990
Total points- 2

This one is fishy. We do not know what district the MacArthur HS that took 9th in 1990 is from- it could be Northeast ISD in San Antonio, or Houston ISD, or Irving ISD. However, based on the evidence and history of programs in Irving, and the lack of teams from Northeast or Houston at the time, I believe this is Irving ISD's MacArthur that took a 9th place in 1990. This year they actually beat Nimitz, the major power from Irving, but never again it seems. They had a few appearances in the 90s, then a lack of state visits until the 2010s, most recently this year. I do not have much to say about them, but i do hope Nimitz's success will start to rub off on them and they can continue to appear at state.

1990 was my first year as a head coach at Nimitz and we won Regionals that year, with Irving MacArthur finishing second. We finished 20th at State, and I am certain that we still finished ahead of Irving MacArthur. I seem to remember that it was San Antonio MacArthur that finished 9th in Houston that in 1990.

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QUOTE (Stanley Tree @ Apr 16 2017, 03:05 PM) *
t-45. MacArthur High School/Irving/Irving ISD/Region IX

Founded- 1963
First Appearance- 1990
State Appearances- 7, possibly 8
Highest score- 42,513 (1990)

9th place, 1990
Total points- 2

This one is fishy. We do not know what district the MacArthur HS that took 9th in 1990 is from- it could be Northeast ISD in San Antonio, or Houston ISD, or Irving ISD. However, based on the evidence and history of programs in Irving, and the lack of teams from Northeast or Houston at the time, I believe this is Irving ISD's MacArthur that took a 9th place in 1990. This year they actually beat Nimitz, the major power from Irving, but never again it seems. They had a few appearances in the 90s, then a lack of state visits until the 2010s, most recently this year. I do not have much to say about them, but i do hope Nimitz's success will start to rub off on them and they can continue to appear at state.

1990 was my first year as a head coach at Nimitz and we won Regionals that year, with Irving MacArthur finishing second. We finished 20th at State, and I am certain that we still finished ahead of Irving MacArthur. I seem to remember that it was San Antonio MacArthur that finished 9th in Houston that in 1990.

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post Apr 19 2017, 05:35 PM
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Edited the Macarthur post to reflect this edit. Could be under Gear we saw that top finish from Rowlett?


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post Apr 19 2017, 09:19 PM
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[quote name='Stanley Tree' date='Apr 19 2017, 12:35 PM' post='95489']
Edited the Macarthur post to reflect this edit. Could be under Gear we saw that top finish from Rowlett?
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I know that Gear was at South Garland in 2004, because they beat us at the Holmes Meet that year, and that was pretty much when we first met. He did us a big favor, because I always look at that as the turning point in our 2004 season. He went to Rockwall in either 2005 or 2006. I definitely know he was in Rockwall in 2006.
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post Jul 26 2017, 03:56 PM
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I got discouraged learning that the Macarthur team may be different; however I will return to it very soon with some updates and maybe a revamp- possibly a reward of programs that have gone to state multiple times.


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post Aug 3 2017, 08:07 PM
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Allright everyone I think I finished, barring errors. I will send my data to anyone who wants it. We are also missing the 2002 small/medium scores, so I made some assumptions based on teams that competed at state the years before and after.

I kept the old scoring system, but added in representation of teams who have gone to state and haven't placed top 10. I added 1 point for every year up to ten years, 2 points for 11-20 years, and 4 points for each year above that. I have recorded 236 schools going to state since 1990, and I decided a good place to start is to do 16 tiers of schools. I have also denoted teams that made state last year, in a way to indicate these numbers seem likely to change (*).

Tier 16: Yea, I went to state once. It was no big deal.
t-193
LD Bell- Hurts-Euless-Bedford ISD
Brackenridge- San Antonio ISD
Brady- Brady ISD
Chapin- El Paso ISD
Conroe Conroe ISD
Dicksinson Dickinson ISD
Granbury- Granbury ISD
Harlandale- Harlandale ISD
Hearne- Hearne ISD
Henderson- Henderson ISD
Henrietta King- Kingsville ISD
Hereford- Hereford ISD
Heritage- Grapevine-Colleyville ISD
Hirschi- Wichita Falls ISD
Hudson- Hudson ISD
Central- Keller ISD
Boyd- McKinney ISD
North Mesquite- Mesquite ISD
Northwest- Northwest ISD
Dunbar- Fort Worth ISD
Refugio- Refugio ISD
Sachse- Garland ISD
Seguin- Sequin ISD
Memorial- Spring Branch ISD
St. John's- Private
Tascosa- Amarillo ISD
Travis- Austin ISD
Washington HS for engineering professions- Houston ISD
Waxahachie- Waxahachie ISD
Westlake- Eanes ISD
Brennan- Northside ISD (opened 2010)
Lovejoy- Lovejoy ISD
Carver- Aldine ISD note did not qualify for state, participated due to being host site for state championship
North Forney- Forney ISD (opened 2009)
Dawson- Pearland ISD (opened 2007)
Molina- Dallas ISD
Tompkins- Katy ISD (opened 2013)
George Ranch- Lamar CISD (opened 2010)
Magnolia West- Magnolia ISD (opened 2006)
New Tech- Ector County ISD (opened 2011)
Collegiate- Corpus Christi ISD (opened 2006)
Lebanon Trail*- Frisco ISD (opened 2016)
Leadership School Garland*- Charter
Reedy*- Frisco ISD (opened 2015)
Brandeis*- Northside ISD (opened 2008)
Sam Rayburn- Pasadena ISD

Highest placing team to only go once- LD Bell, 17th place in 1991


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post Aug 3 2017, 09:14 PM
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Tier 15: We either had a really good group of kids once, or a good coach for a while
t-171
Mayde Creek- Katy ISD
Allen- Allen ISD
Bellaire- Houston ISD
DeBakey- Houston ISD
Irvin- El Paso ISD
Jefferson/Silva- El Paso ISD
Lackland- Lackland ISD
Lamar Consolidated- Lamar CISD
Lancaster- Lancaster ISD
Leander- Leander ISD
McKinney- McKinney ISD
North- McKinney ISD
North Garland- Garland ISD
Liberty- Liberty ISD
South Houston- Pasadena ISD
Timber Creek- Keller ISD
Westwood- Round Rock ISD
Ysleta- Ysleta ISD
Independence*- Frisco ISD (founded 2014)
Turner College & Career*- Pearland ISD (founded 2013)
Ridge Point*- Fort Bend ISD (founded 2010)
Lake Ridge*- Mansfield ISD (founded 2012)

Highest ranked school of tier- Mayde Creek, 11th place in 1990


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post Aug 3 2017, 09:47 PM
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Tier 14: 3-4 years
t-134
Abilene- Abilene ISD 4
Canyon- Comal ISD 4
Churchill- Northeast ISD 4
Grapevine- Grapevine-Colleyville ISD 4
Kingwood- Humble ISD 4
Little Elm*- Little Elm ISD 4 (opened 1995)
Prosper- Prosper ISD 4
Ranchview- Carrollton-Farmers Branch ISD 4 (opened 2002)
RL Turner- Carrollton-Farmers Branch ISD 4
Uvalde- Uvalde CISD 4
W.T White- Dallas ISD 4
Townview School of Engineering*- Dallas ISD 4
t-146
Aledo- Aledo ISD 3
B.F. Terry- Lamar CISD 3
Burleson- Burleson ISD 3
Cleveland- Cleveland ISD 3
Crandall- Crandall ISD 3
De Soto- De Soto ISD 3
Goliad- Goliad ISD 3
Irving*- Irving ISD 3
Lake Travis- Lake Travis ISD 3
Lakeview- Garland ISD 3
Longview- Longview ISD 3
Mansfield- Mansfield ISD 3
Marfa- Marfa ISD 3
Montwood- El Paso ISD 3
North Shore- Galena Park ISD 3
Pittsburg- Pittsburg ISD 3
Rogers- Rogers ISD 3
Round Rock- Round Rock ISD 3
Santa Fe- Santa Fe ISD 3
Wylie*- Wylie ISD 3
Memorial*- Pasadena ISD 3
Alvin*- Alvin ISD 3
Talkington School for Young Women Leaders*- Lubbock ISD 3
Clear Springs*- Clear Creek ISD 3 (founded 2007)
Seagoville*- Dallas iSD 3


Highest place of tier- Little Elm, 13th place (2017)


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post Aug 4 2017, 06:49 PM
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Tier 13: 5-7 appearances
t-104
Clemens- Scherz-Cibolo-Universal City ISD 7
Dalhart- Dalhart ISD 7
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Bowie- Austin ISD 6
Denver City- Denver City ISD 6
Diboll- Diboll ISD 6
Memorial- Edgewood ISD 6
Edison- San Antonio ISD 6
Grand Prairie- Grand Prairie ISD 6
Forest- Klein ISD 6
Legacy*- Mansfield ISD 6
Morton Ranch- Katy ISD 6 (opened 2004)
Nederland- Nederland ISD 6
Odessa- Ector County ISD 6
Palacios- Palacios ISD 6
Poteet*- Mesquite ISD 6
Sam Houston*- San Antonio ISD 6
Smithson Valley- Comal ISD 6
Stacey- Lackland ISD 6
t-122
Lone Star*- Frisco ISD 6 (opened 2010)
Austin- Fort Bend ISD 5 (opened 1995)
Harlingen- Harlingen ISD 5
Harlingen South- Harlingen ISD 5
Newman Smith- Carrollton-Farmers Branch ISD 5
Plano West- Plano ISD 5 (opened 1999)
San Marcos- San Marcos CISD 5
Taft- Northside ISD 5
Tivy- Kerrville ISD 5
West Mesquite- Mesquite ISD 5
Heritage*- Frisco ISD 5 (opened 2009)
Barbers Hill*- Barbers Hill ISD 5

Best team of tier- Taft High School, 12th place, 2002

I'm going to go back and add in school districts to the best of my ability in a bit.


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post Aug 5 2017, 04:28 PM
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Yes! Berkner is in tier 12! emot-smug.gif


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Tier 12- 8-9 years
t-91
Boerne- Boerne ISD 9
Burges- El Paso ISD 9
Fossil Ridge- Keller ISD 9 (opened 1994)
Judson- Judson ISD 9
Collins*- Klein ISD 9
Pine Tree- Pine Tree ISD 9 (opened 1847- second oldest high school in Texas)
Somerset- Somerset ISD 9
Tom C Clark- Northside ISD 9
t-99
Crockett- Crockett ISD 8
Flower Mound- Lewisville ISD 8 (opened 1999)
John Horn- Mesquite ISD 8 (opened 2000)
Moody- Corpus Christi ISD 8
Sam Champion- Boerne ISD 8 (opened 2008)

Best team of tier- Judson HS, 9th place, 2000


Those of you who saw the earlier rankings may notice the drop of Judson with the new state appearances rankings. While they had a great year in 2000, this was also their last year at state as of now.


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post Aug 6 2017, 11:52 PM
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Tier 11- 10-12 years; consistently went to state for a large period of time
t-78
Eisenhower- Aldine ISD 12
Hillcrest- Dallas ISD 12
IDEA Branches- 12 (note: I think this is just one IDEA branch, but there are a lot so if someone could verify if this is one I would appreciate it)
Lago Vista- Lago Vista ISD 12
Lee- Midland/Northeast/Tyler ISD 12
Splendora- Splendora ISD 12

t-84
Madison- Northeast ISD 11 (note: there is dispute on whether Houston Madison or Northeast Madison placed 8th. It is almost certainly Northeast because Houston Madison has not ever attended state)
Rowlett- Garland ISD 11 (opened 1996)

t-86
A.C. Jones- Beeville ISD 10
Earl Warren*- Northside ISD 10 (opened 2002)
Hebron*- Lewisville ISD 10 (opened 1999)
La Porte- La Porte ISD 10
The Colony- Lewisville ISD 10

Top Ten Placements
Northeast Madison- 8th, 1995
Rowlett- 10th, 2006 (I believe led by the LITERALLY immortal David Gear *edit actually left the year before)

The Lee placement is all wrong- it is definitely a combo of the three school districts, but many of the specific schools are unknown due to a lack of ISD on DDSIC. Plus there are some years where there are multiple Lee teams. I don't have the patience to sift through those.


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post Aug 7 2017, 03:39 PM
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Tier 10- Have been to the majority of state championships

t-67
Arlington- Arlington ISD 16
Bryan- Bryan ISD 16
Burbank- San Antonio ISD 16
Clear Creek- Clear Creek ISD 16

71 Clear Brook- Clear Creek ISD 15

t-72
72 El Paso- El Paso ISD 14
73 Huntington- Huntington ISD 14
74 John Paul II- Private 14
75 Katy- Katy ISD 14
76 Macarthur- Northeast/Irving 14
77 Mansfield Summit*- Mansfield 13 (opened 2002)

Top ten teams-
Clear Brook, 6th place, 2011
Mansfield Summit, 7th place, 2017
MacArthur, 9th place, 1990

Clear Brook and Summit have both been to 7 state championships, mostly in the recent past; however their success at one particular state meet has catapulted them into a much higher ranking than the other 7-appearance schools, but has also not been able to jump them past several schools who have a long history of success in decathlon. For Summit, this could be the beginning of something special- all of their appearances have been in the last 7 years, and they reached 7th this past year after a string of years in the mid-20s to mid-30s. For Clear Brook, they looked poised to break through and become another monster program at the top of Region V (joining Dobie, Friendswood, and Pearland), but they left state just as quickly as they joined, with a three year period capped off in the middle with a massive 6th place finish in 2011. John Paul II has been one of the premier small school programs over the last decade, and in 2012 nearly made it into the top 10 which would have been a modern-era first for a small school. There have been questions about whether they should be a "small school" considering that they are a private school, but their success is still evident. The MacArthur problem mirrors the Lee problem- there are just enough that I do not know the ISD of (less so than Lee) that it is difficult to parse out. You may want to consider this ranking unfair or not true, but I like it there anyways.


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Tier 9
t-55
55 Duncanville- Duncanville ISD 20
56 Kempner- Fort Bend ISD 20
57 South Garland- Garland ISD 20

t-58
58 Cinco Ranch- Katy ISD 19 (opened 1999)
59 Foster*- Arlington CISD 19 (opened 2001)
60 Wakeland*- Wakeland ISD 19 (opened 2006)

t-61
61 Lamar- Arlington ISD 18
62 Elkins- Fort Bend ISD 18 (opened 1992)
63 Centennial*- Frisco ISD 18 (opened 2003)
64 Hawkins- Hawkins ISD 18
65 Randolph- Randolph ISD 18
66 Westwood- Westwood ISD 18

Top ten teams-
Kempner- 4th place, 1990
Cinco Ranch- 8th place, 2004; 9th place, 2012; 10th place, 2005
Foster*- 10th place, 2009
Wakeland*- 8th place, 2016; 9th place, 2014; 10th place, 2017
Lamar- 9th place, 2002
Centennial*- 8th place, 2014 & 2007

We see a mixture of teams that have been to state a whole bunch of times (Elkins, Hawkins, Randolph, Westwood, South Garland, Lamar, Duncanville, Foster), and some teams that have had great years but have not been to state as much (Kempner, Wakeland, Cinco Ranch) at least relatively speaking. Kempner's 4th place in 1990 was their high point, and they would place in the teens to late 20s the rest of the times they have been at state. It betrays the lack of info from the 80s- maybe they were in the top 10 throughout the 80s (which would not be surprising considering Clements and Dulles were wildly successful in the 80s).

Cinco Ranch is another school that has seen some success and sustained it for a long time- they made it into the top 10 within five years of being opened, and went to state from 2003 until 2013. The decline to 27 teams hurt Cinco as they have not returned since (they should have made it the last two years but the region's tough subs kept them just outside).

Foster has been ultra consistent with the exception of 2014 where they missed out on the shortened school pool (80 down to 50). It only took them three years from opening to make state, and just four to make it all the way to 11th place. They have mostly placed in the mid teens to the low 30s with only three years placing outside of that.

Centennial is one of the first Frisco schools out of the boom period they have had, adding something like 10 schools over the last decade and next few years. They have been consistently excellent during their entire history- since going to state in 2006 (3 years after creation), they have placed 12, 11, 20, 23, 12, 13. 12, 18, 8, 16, 15, 20. That is consistency very few teams, even at the elite level, have been able to produce. It almost makes me think they are underrated by this rating system.

If you asked me to pick a team that has not won state but is the most likely to, Wakeland would be near the top of the list. It has barely been around for 12 years, but have gone to 11 state tournaments excepting its first year. They reached 11th in just their third year, and over the last four years have been 9th, 17th, 8th, and 10th. They have proven to not only be consistent but consistently good over the last few years, and if they can get a push they could compete for a state title. I would not put them number one on the list of schools to not win, but they would not be far off.

There is not much for me to say about Hawkins, Randolph, Westwood, South Garland, Lamar or Duncanville. They were or are consistent state placing teams, going at least 14 years out of the last 27. Duncanville no longer goes to state as much- I think their former coach who was on the boards no longer coaches- nor do Hawkins, Randolph, or Westwood. South Garland went as recently as 2016, but saw their high point in the 90s when they went to most of the state tournaments. Lamar was a strong team in the early 2000s when they placed 9th in 2001.



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Estacado*- Lubbock ISD 26
Taylor*- Taylor ISD 26

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Lubbock Monterey*- Lubbock ISD 24
Mary Carroll*- Corpus Christi ISD 24
O'Connor- Northside ISD 24 (founded 1998)
Pasadena- Pasadena ISD 24
edit: Liberty drops here with the change (see below)

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Aubrey- Aubrey ISD 22
Bandera*- Bandera ISD 22
Creekview- Carollton-Farmers Branch ISD 22 (opened 1998)
Franklin- El Paso ISD 22
W.B. Ray*- Corpus Christi ISD 22
Robert G Cole*- Fort Sam Houston ISD 22
Tuloso-Midway*- Tuloso-Midway ISD 22

Top Ten Teams
Lubbock Monterey- 9th place, 2017
Sandra Day O'Connor- 7th place, 2010
Pasadena- 7th place, 1990
Creekview- 8th place, 2006

This group of schools features a lot of teams that have gone to state over 15 times, with a few top tens sprinkled in. Schools like Aubrey, Franklin, Robert G. Cole, W.B. Ray, Mary Carroll, Tuloso-Midway, and Estacado have consistently been at state, but I do not have much to say except to commend them for consistency.

Taylor would be significantly higher, as in top 10-high, if we were counting small school titles. They are undoubtedly the most decorated small school team, but having started in 1999 as a program, they are rated lower than some other small school teams (another flaw in my system to be honest). They had a string of years where they were in the teens and 20s (2007-09), which would lead to a boom-time for small schools that saw the title team place in the top 25 every year until 2016. Taylor should be noted as one of the best programs in the state, despite my rankings.

Pasadena saw their best years in the 90s and early 2000s, with a 7th place in 1990 (just behind the big brother of Pasadena ISD, Dobie) followed by state appearances for most of the 90s (except '91 and '94- weirdly a year that Dobie also did not attend state. Maybe ISD issues?). They reached their second peak in 2001 with a 15th place, with the early 2000s being their most consistently successful stretch. They have not been to state much since.

Creekview was a solidly consistent team in the mid 2000s to early 2010s, peaking with an 8th place in 2006 and several teens finishes around that time. 2017 was the first time we have not had Creekview at state since 2002, so hopefully we will see them back as soon as next year. Their shift from Large to Medium seems to have impacted them- maybe the smaller student body that goes along with that has hurt more than anything.

Bandera has seen their last three years at state be their best three, culminating with a small school championship for the first time ever this year by around 50 points over John Paul II. They have mostly been to state in the 2000s with soem out years, with the 39th place this year being the best by far.

O'Connor looked to be the school that would take up the mantle of the great Northside ISD long occupied by Holmes and briefly passed to schools like Taft and Warren. They quickly made it to state just one year after being opened, made the top 20 the next year, and then stayed at state throughout the 2000s with the exception of 2004. They then hit a period of sustained success from 2007-2012, going 16, 27, 18, 7, 16, and 27 before falling down the ranks. They have only made it once in the past four years, making you think their best may be behind them.

Lubbock Monterey has seen its most successful years come recently, peaking this year with a 9th place finish. From the outside, it seems both Monterey and Coronado have been dying to get past Lubbock HS, who has shown itself to be the best program in west Texas; Coronado has had its moments of success, and Monterey is now having its best years. It will be interesting to see if they can sustain it- they have been slowly growing to this year, with a 37th and 24th place finish the two years before. It's always exciting to see a new top ten team, and to see if they can keep it up.


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QUOTE (Stanley Tree @ Aug 8 2017, 10:44 AM) *
2017 was the first time we have not had Creekview at state since 2002, so hopefully we will see them back as soon as next year.

Last I heard, C-FB ISD cut their Decathlon program, so they didn't even field a team last year. :/

This is fun though; looking forward to the next installments. biggrin.gif


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28 Sinton*- Sinton ISD 38

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Alamo Heights- Alamo Heights ISD
Frisco*- Frisco ISD
Klein*- Klein ISD

32 South Grand Prairie- Grand Prairie ISD 32

33 Martin- Arlington ISD 31

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Coronado*- El Paso ISD
Marshall*- Northside ISD

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Flour Bluff- Flour Bluff ISD
Coronado*- Lubbock ISD
Montgomery*- Montgomery ISD
Richardson*- Richardson ISD
Clear Lake*- Clear Creek ISD
Liberty*- Frisco ISD edit: there is a Liberty HS that went to state twice from Liberty ISD that I stupidly added, so this drops Liberty to 24 points, and tied for 44th

Top Tens
Liberty- 3rd place, 2009
Frisco- 5th place, 2007
South Grand Prairie- 5th place, 1996
Clear Lake- 6th place, 2014; 7th place, 2013; 10th place, 2015
Martin- 6th place, 2000; 10th place, 2001; 8th place, 2002
Marshall- 7th place, 1991
Lubbock Coronado- 9th place, 2010

Sinton has been to all but four of the state championships since the opening of the small school competition in 1993. Incredible consistency places them this high, and three championships from 95-97 peaked with a 28th place in 1996.

Alamo Heights has gone to 20 championships, peaking with an 18th place in 1994.

Frisco had its breakthrough into the top 10 in 2007, when they were the second place team behind Friendswood. Their foray into the top ten was one of the first times that a non-Friendswood or Pearce medium team would hit the top ten, only surpassed by Alice in 2005. This would lead to a string of different medium teams breaking into the top 10, peaking this past year where HALF of the top ten came from the Medium schools. Frisco was very good in the mid 2000s- starting in 2003, they finished 16th, 11th, 12th, 16th, 5th, and 26th before dropping into the 40s and 50s and out altogether from 2013-2015- breaking a consecutive streak dating back to 1998- before returning in 2016 and 2017. They are now overshadowed by their up and coming Frisco brethren, but it seems their success bred the desire for the entire district to thrive.

Klein has been the dominant power of Region VI, consistently winning the region- 11 out of 14 times since 2004. Not only that, but Klein has been a great team that has yet to break into the top 10, possibly the best program to not have done so. It looked like they would do so this year, entering state 4th in the large category. However, with a wild and wacky state this year (the amount of teams that moved SEVERAL rankings up or down was kind of unbelievable), they tumbled to 22nd overall. They have placed in the top 25 ELEVEN times, with five of them coming since 2009. A very solid team that can hopefully break into the top ten soon.

South Grand Prairie was a force in the 90s, going to state 7 times and placing top 25 three times. They have been to state on and off, but came on strong in 2011 with another top 25 finish. They almost literally have gone every other year over the last decade.

El Paso Coronado have yet to crack the top 25, but have consistently gone to state since 1993 with a few years out here and there. State was hosted at Coronado in 2011. It was a beautiful campus, but unfortunately (and no fault of Coronado) it led to the only no-show at state I am aware of by Grand Prairie. They didn't go due to an immigration issue that they were worried about with one of their students, and driving to El Paso from Dallas would have possibly led to immigration issues, and I do believe Clear Brook's bus was checked by immigration authorities. Really sad moment, but a beautiful place.

Marshall was a consistent player in the 90s with a top 7 in 1991 and and 11th in 1992 and 12th in 1990, clearly their best stretch. They were consistently in the top 30 or so until the late 90s, when they missed out in 1998 and placed 68th in 1999. They made a few appearances in the early 2000s, but stopped going in 2005...UNTIL 2016! They have been back to state the last two years and busted in at 33rd in 2016. Let's hope they can stick around. There are two times in the 90s where DDSIC says Marshall ISD, which I simply refuse to believe. Both of these years did not have Northside Marshall, a consistent 90s team, and Marshall ISD never made it except for these two years. Also, they would not get 13th and disappear forever. Also also, Northside is known for decathlon, and Marshall ISD is not.

Martin is another legacy program that made their first appearance in a long time these last few years. They participated in every year of the 90s except 90 and 93 and continued until 2004, and then did not return again until 2017. What's really noticeable is this program was VERY close to becoming a power in the early 00s- from 99 until 2002 they went 13th, 8th, 10th, and 6th before flaming out to 18th and 34th before their return in 2017 (51st). An interesting question here, as they were at their most powerful when the top of Texas was very powerful in the late 90s and early 00s- what if they had continued to grow in strength? Starting around 02 is where the state title became a free-for-all after the Taylor dominance. If they could have stuck around, maybe they could have competed for state?

Flour Bluff was a solid team in the early 2000s, placing in the top 20 every year between 2000 and 2005 (no data on 2002), peaking at 13th in 2001 and getting 2nd in Medium in 2000. They went to state every year between 1995 and 2011, made it again in 2013, and have not been back since. Also they may have the coolest school name (whose doing those rankings?)

Lubbock Coronado has been to every state championship since 1999 except for 2015 (getting angrier about the short field). Their best year occurred in 2010 when they placed 9th, one spot ahead of Lubbock. Other than that, they have made state but never really reached that height again, with three other top 25 finishes ('02, '04, '05).

Montgomery has been to every state championship since 2000 and have been very consistent. With two top 15s in '08 and '13, they have finished between 22nd and 38th in 11 of their years. A solidly consistent team that does not get the pub due to being in a quiet district in terms of upper-end teams.

Richardson has gone through periods of success, sustained up until the mid 2000s and brought back recently, even having the top scorer at state with Marin Young in 2014. They have eleven top 25 finishes, with the first coming in 1990 (12th), and the most recent coming in 2015 (25th)! Placed 27th this last year, and have been in the top 30 three of the last four years. Looks like Richardson is back permanently.

Clear Lake is a school that has had the opportunity to be one of the best in the state thanks to a STELLAR student body. Located near NASA, they tend to be one of the best schools academically in the state. In the mid-90s they did find success, with three top-25 finishes in the mid-90s. They followed that up with their next state appearance in...2006?! With a new coach around 2012, they jumped into state again and shot up to 7th, 6th, and 10th from 2013-2015, along with Anne Zhou placing first overall in the state in 2015. They dropped back to 22nd in 2016 and up to 14th in 2017, it seems they may be back on the rise. They seem to face a similar problem as Seven Lakes- they have a lack of great varsities. The honors and to a lesser extend the scholastics are up there with the best, but you don't see too many varsities on the leaderboards from CL. If they break that problem, then watch out for them. I expect another top 10 coming soon.

Liberty opened in 2006, and three years later they had won a Medium state title. They have been in the top 21 7 of the 11 years they have been at state, which is silly. It may have been a flash in the pan moment, but they have recently been their closest to returning to the top ten, placing between 13th and 16th from 2013 to 2015. '16 and '17 has seen a slight decline, so hopefully they can get back up there. Of the Frisco flood that has swept of texas decathlon, Liberty's '09 has been the best Frisco year to date. Will anyone do better?


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*At this point, each team has so many top tens I will do it for each

20th place King*- Corpus Christi ISD 58 points
9th place- 2011
7th place- 2004
6th place- 2006
Near misses- '99 (11th), '02 (14th), '12 (11th), '09 (12th), '08 (13th)
State appearances- 23


King Was a mammoth program in the late 2000s-early 2010s- every year they came into state as a top 4 to top 8 team, and I would always think "here comes King, they're finally going to take it!" The problem with this was that they were in a region that consistently had high subjectives, which would drop them come state. For example, in 2013 they came into state 5th in large, and came out 10th in large. It is through no fault of their own, and the school has produced excellent teams. They have dropped to Medium recently- along with Carroll and Ray- and have led to a situation where the Region III large winner no longer auto qualifies for state (must have more than 3 teams). I wonder if this has impact on their team, which has seen a small decline over the last three years (29th, 38th, 31st last three years). King was one of the premier programs for about a decade, and could easily make their way back.


21st place New Caney- New Caney ISD 57 points
3rd place- 2004
5th place- 2008
6th place- 2005
8th place- 2007
Near misses- '03 (15th), '06 (14th), '10 (15th), '11 (15th)
State appearances- 15

New Caney had a five year period where they were the second best medium school and looked like they could be the school to finally dethrone Friendswood. Especially in 2004, when they were incredibly close to 2nd and lost to Friendswood by 1,300. New Caney went to state every year between 1997 and 2012, and have not been back since, which is a real shame. I don't know if they got a new coach or something happened, but they were a very quiet powerhouse inthe mid 2000s and early 2010s.

22nd place Berkner- Richardson ISD 55 points
6th place- 1991
7th place- 1992
7th place- 1993
8th place- 1994
10th place- 1996
Near misses- '90 (12th), '99 (12th)
State appearances- 20

Berkner was a stable power in the early 90s, but if we had enough data from a few years before in the 80s, they would be much higher as they had at least one 2nd place and two 3rd place finishes in the late 80s. The school made it from 1990 all the way until 2001, and then reappeared at state from 2005 until 2012 as a not-as-strong program. However, zzzptm absolutely made them one of the most exciting programs in the state in terms of pure entertainment, and even won a 3rd place super quiz relay in 2010. Zzzptm hit on one of the two major pillars of any great decathlon team- being incredibly goofy and having fun. It's impossible to keep working hard for months on end without any sort of levity, and the 2000s Berkner teams had that in spades. Just don't ask him how to pronounce his username.

23rd place Lake Highlands- Richardson ISD 48 points
Champion- 1990
7th place- 1995
8th place- 1997
9th place- 1991, 1992
Near misses- '94 (11th), '96 (14th)
State appearances- 9

Lake Highlands is our lowest state champion of this time period, and this makes sense when you think that they are the first champions of the era. Another school that would have benefited from the 80s being in play with two 4ths and a 5th. Another Richardson ISD program that saw its best days very early on in the history of decathlon (Richardson, and to a lesser extent Fort Bend, DOMINATED early decathlon, along with Deer Park and Stratford), they have not returned to state since 2000, which at this point a large chunk of decathletes were not even born. I can't add too much to these guys, but hey I'm sure the school still takes huge pride in its win in a thing it doesn't focus on much any more 27 years later- they've sat around 33k for many years.

24th place Alice*- Alice ISD 45 points
4th place- 2016
7th place- 2012
9th place- 2013
9th place- 2005
10th place- 2008
Near misses- '04 (15th), '11 (12th), '15 (12th)
State appearances- 16

Alice became one of the best medium school programs of all time over the course of the 2010s under Joseph Eberhard, who retired from coaching on a mic drop after winning their only Medium School State Championship in 2016. They were in the top 4 of medium five times between 2011 and 2016, an incredible run considering several of the best teams of all time came out of Medium during this time (mostly Rockwall). They have been to state every year since 2001 and unfortunately have declined since Mr. Eberhard moved up in the world, but for those of you who don't know much about Alice, they are a school with mostly low-income students that are playing ball with programs that are mostly made up of upper-middle class students, which is shown in merit scholar numbers and will bleed into something like decathlon. For this sustained success with a group that is not typically meant to perform this well, Mr. Eberhard has to be thought of as one of the best coaches in Texas history. It doesn't look good now that he is gone, but man what a run it is.

25th place Dulles*- Fort Bend ISD 44 points
2017- 2nd place
2016- 7th place
1991- 8th place
Near Misses- '96 (11th), '15 (11th)
State appearances- 13

Dulles Is yet another school that would benefit massively from the 80s having full reports, as they won a state championship and 5th place at least. Dulles made it to state for 7 straight years from '90 until '96 (led by a coach who is still teaching there), then came back for a short burst in '01, '03, and '04 of just okay teams. Then in 2015 they returned for a 10th place finish at large, followed by a 5th, then claimed a large school state championship this past year.

As the personal note here, I absolutely adored my time at Pearland as a student- it is the reason I am here doing something I love. It does not match what it means to be a coach, and having them not only get to take pride and joy in their success, but also have an insane amount of fun doing it. Our entire senior group took the senior skip day to go to the beach together, and just last week the two boy scouts we had on the team took all 9 out to go camping (they missed a meeting for it! Work on your scheduling Sam!). Seeing them have a somewhat similar experience to what I had in terms of having a real bond, and in terms of having pure joy. The other thing I truly enjoy is seeing students go from kids with no confidence in themselves academically, to having a great inner confidence in their abilities and seeing them thrive going forward. It makes this the most rewarding thing I could think of to do with my life. Anyways, I'm done writing this whole thing (I guess I could write Pearland's too) I just wanted to brag about how awesome I am. Also I expect this ranking to go up a bit next year.

26th place Rockwall-Heath*- Rockwall ISD 43 points
5th place- 2013
5th place- 2014
6th place- 2015
6th place- 2016
Near misses- 15th (2017)
Total Appearances- 7

Rockwall-Heath is one of the members of the nouveau riche in decathlon- where an era of elite teams cycles out, somebody fills in to replace them, and Heath has taken that up along with Dulles, Highland Park, Clear Lake, and possibly Little Elm. They entered state in 2011 at 54th place, moved to 23rd the next year, and then ran up to 5th place and have stayed there until this year when they fell to 15th (in their defense, the gap between them and top 10 was freaking tiny, and the rankings from about 6th to 17th was a mush). I don't know what influence Gear had on this program, but whoever is coaching over there is doing an amazing job. They may very well break through for the championship, possibly as early as next year.

27th place Stratford- Spring Branch ISD 41 points
3rd place- 1992
4th place- 1993
8th place- 1990
10th place- 1994
Near misses- '95 (11th), '91 (13th)
Total appearances- 9

Stratford is the highest program to never qualify beyond 2000, a tough task until you look at their results. From 90 until 94 they were a threat to win it all, and that stretched back into the 80s. If Stratford ever took decathlon seriously again they would be a serious threat, with a great student body. It just doesn't seem to be a thing for Spring Branch ISD anymore, which is a shame. They have the money for it. Oh well, more for the rest of us.


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