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post Apr 3 2017, 11:38 PM
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I'm starting a thread about nationals.

USAD released the size divisions today. They can be found here.


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post Apr 3 2017, 11:42 PM
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Sigh. 15 Chinese teams. I'm all for international participation, but I still can't help but feel as though those spots could be used by teams that worked so much harder.


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post Apr 3 2017, 11:43 PM
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Yeah, but the Chinese pay so much more. :\

Also, team numbers are alphabetical by state.


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post Apr 4 2017, 02:40 AM
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I thought there was supposed to be a seperate division for foreign schools?
Why is there such disparity in numbers of teams in divisions?
US schools:
13 in division I
8 in division II
11 in division III
Overall:
17 division I
12 Division II
22 division III
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post Apr 4 2017, 02:56 AM
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QUOTE (kdarrow @ Apr 3 2017, 09:40 PM) *
I thought there was supposed to be a seperate division for foreign schools?
Why is there such disparity in numbers of teams in divisions?


I was thinking the same thing. CRJ and Madison Central have traditionally been DII in the past, but now they're DI.


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post Apr 4 2017, 03:07 AM
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QUOTE (SamKeal @ Apr 3 2017, 09:56 PM) *
QUOTE (kdarrow @ Apr 3 2017, 09:40 PM) *
I thought there was supposed to be a seperate division for foreign schools?
Why is there such disparity in numbers of teams in divisions?


I was thinking the same thing. CRJ and Madison Central have traditionally been DII in the past, but now they're DI.


Same thing happened 2 years ago. Our state director appealed. They made a change and equally split the U.S. teams. Not sure how I feel about this. Should there be an equal split in US teams?


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post Apr 4 2017, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE (kdarrow @ Apr 3 2017, 10:07 PM) *
QUOTE (SamKeal @ Apr 3 2017, 09:56 PM) *
QUOTE (kdarrow @ Apr 3 2017, 09:40 PM) *
I thought there was supposed to be a seperate division for foreign schools?
Why is there such disparity in numbers of teams in divisions?


I was thinking the same thing. CRJ and Madison Central have traditionally been DII in the past, but now they're DI.


Same thing happened 2 years ago. Our state director appealed. They made a change and equally split the U.S. teams. Not sure how I feel about this. Should there be an equal split in US teams?


I feel like there definitely should be an equal number of US teams in each division... that's super bizarre. I do know though that they try to cut the divisions where there's natural breaks in school populations, so maybe that has something to do with it -- e.g., those two schools at the bottom of DI in population still have much closer school sizes to the rest of DI to the biggest in DII. Just speculation though, and I feel like it would be worth looking into.

In other news, looking over the list, I see no Oregon, but I do see Missouri returning. Overall, still 32 states participating, though I think Washington and perhaps Florida will be doing online again.


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post Apr 6 2017, 06:46 PM
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Change made:
Mississippi and Kansas were moved to D II. It is on the website/nationals packet/information/divisions.
This would seem to fit what has been done in the past.


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post Apr 7 2017, 04:55 PM
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Speech and Interview times have been posted, as have testing locations.


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post Apr 7 2017, 06:50 PM
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Are any of the teams going to Nationals interested in ice skating after the Super Quiz Relay? PM me if you're interested.


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post Apr 9 2017, 04:13 AM
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QUOTE (The Evil Dr. Calculus @ Apr 7 2017, 12:50 PM) *
Are any of the teams going to Nationals interested in ice skating after the Super Quiz Relay? PM me if you're interested.


Might also want to translate that into Mandarin, Canadian English, and UK English to get a measure of interest from the other teams. emot-smug.gif


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post Apr 13 2017, 01:33 PM
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Great media coverage in Southern California:

http://www.dailynews.com/social-affairs/20...c-decathlon-win


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post Apr 13 2017, 02:35 PM
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State scores for the Nationals teams can be found here.



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post Apr 13 2017, 03:16 PM
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I'm a bit skeptical about the scores from British Columbia.


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post Apr 13 2017, 03:52 PM
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Um, are those BC scores correct? They are round and pretty good, so not sure what to think of 'em. If those scores from China are accurate then those are the best teams they've ever had. There is a very close battle for third between Illinois, Ohio, and Arizona. Pennsylvania and Massachusetts are not too far behind either- Iowa had their state competition pretty early so they could be in that mix as well. Possibly Nebraska as well, I think they are missing a subject so they could be in there as well?

Cannot tell if Illinois and Ohio are not as good as last year, or if this year is THAT much harder in terms of scores. Seems like a lot of great teams from last year- Rhode Island, Wisconsin, Hawaii, South Carolina- are not at the same level. Bummer to see, or maybe they will get way better at nationals.


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post Apr 13 2017, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE (Stanley Tree @ Apr 13 2017, 10:52 AM) *
Um, are those BC scores correct? They are round and pretty good, so not sure what to think of 'em. If those scores from China are accurate then those are the best teams they've ever had. There is a very close battle for third between Illinois, Ohio, and Arizona. Pennsylvania and Massachusetts are not too far behind either- Iowa had their state competition pretty early so they could be in that mix as well. Possibly Nebraska as well, I think they are missing a subject so they could be in there as well?

Cannot tell if Illinois and Ohio are not as good as last year, or if this year is THAT much harder in terms of scores. Seems like a lot of great teams from last year- Rhode Island, Wisconsin, Hawaii, South Carolina- are not at the same level. Bummer to see, or maybe they will get way better at nationals.

Nebraska is 9 subjects (no objective social science test). Our official score at state was higher once we add in the social-science only SQ. We were just under 43K.

Looking at medals from previous years, it looks like individuals and non-American teams win medals but do not bump Americans down on the medal list (so a Chinese competitor winning bronze with 920 will not keep an American with a 900 from getting bronze). Am I reading that right? And is it true with overall team results as well?
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post Apr 13 2017, 05:31 PM
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Health Care and 46k teams?


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post Apr 13 2017, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE (Allan21996 @ Apr 13 2017, 06:31 PM) *
Health Care and 46k teams?


Do we know what score they have gotten in the past?

I know the individual competitors don't actually receive medals. Not sure about China. That'd actually be a bit of a bummer if China couldn't win medals.


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QUOTE (Stanley Tree @ Apr 13 2017, 01:05 PM) *
QUOTE (Allan21996 @ Apr 13 2017, 06:31 PM) *
Health Care and 46k teams?


Do we know what score they have gotten in the past?

I know the individual competitors don't actually receive medals. Not sure about China. That'd actually be a bit of a bummer if China couldn't win medals.

Individual competitors can get medals, they simply will not displace "proper" competitors' medals, so an individual can win a 920 bronze while someone from say CDO could still win a bronze with a 900. If I had to guess, Chinese competitors will likely be in the same boat.


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Will make a poll sometime tonight or tomorrow, but here's the pre-Nationals team leaderboard!

(Super skeptical of the Canadian scores, not only because it's rare for a team to do go from 25k to 45k in a year but also due to the round numbers. I hope they are true though!!)

Also, International as well as Individual Decathletes should all be in the same boat as medals -- can't technically take away medals from American teams, but can tie or beat their scores for their own medals.


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