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post Nov 21 2017, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE (ridgepoinths @ Nov 20 2017, 09:50 PM) *
I don't understand how this Division IV thing works. Aren't both of the Townview teams listed as large schools in Texas and will be competing to try to earn two of the 40 spots in San Antonio? I thought it meant that if we have a repeat of last year's state finish with Highland Park winning medium and Dulles winning large but with a lower team score than Highland Park than they could also compete at nationals?

Both Townview teams are indeed competing as Large in Texas, but that's because they're magnet schools -- per TAD rules, any magnet school, regardless of its enrollment, must compete at the size of the largest school in the district. This is why they're Large, but Talkington in Lubbock is Medium -- Lubbock has no Large schools.

USAD, however, is not concerned with how states make their divisions; they have their own population divisions, and no special rules about magnet or private schools. That is why the Townviews would be Small for USAD -- I hope that makes sense! smile.gif
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post Nov 21 2017, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (ridgepoinths @ Nov 21 2017, 01:50 AM) *
QUOTE (TinDefacto @ Nov 20 2017, 01:44 PM) *
Top Texas schools with populations under 1300:
  • Lebanon Trail
  • Talkington
  • Townview Talented & Gifted
  • Townview Science & Engineering
  • John Paul II
  • Bandera
  • Sam Houston
  • Taylor (not James E. Taylor)
  • Estacado
  • IL Texas Garland
  • A.C. Jones


QUOTE (AK_WDB @ Nov 20 2017, 03:25 PM) *
Why does USAD keep bringing in new teams and not allowing them to compete for the team championship? First teams from China that can't beat US teams, now wild card teams that can't beat the state champions. Pretty soon more than half of all teams at nationals will be ineligible to win.

I think that actually is already the case... I mean, if all 23 states bring second teams, and there's 15 international, let's say, then there'd have to be 38 state champions there to match that... and last year there were only 32.


I don't understand how this Division IV thing works. Aren't both of the Townview teams listed as large schools in Texas and will be competing to try to earn two of the 40 spots in San Antonio? I thought it meant that if we have a repeat of last year's state finish with Highland Park winning medium and Dulles winning large but with a lower team score than Highland Park than they could also compete at nationals?

What TinDefacto said, but also Highland Park and Dulles are both large schools by USAD divisions (as is Lubbock High), so Dulles could not have gone to nationals as a division 4 school last year were this rule in place. Last year, Bandera would have been the division 4 team (I think).
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post Nov 21 2017, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE (JakeLHS @ Nov 21 2017, 03:57 PM) *
Last year, Bandera would have been the division 4 team (I think).

Yup, I believe so! Although I realized I'd forgotten another school from my list:
  • Lebanon Trail
  • Talkington
  • Townview Talented & Gifted
  • Townview Science & Engineering
  • John Paul II
  • Bandera
  • Sam Houston
  • Taylor (not James E. Taylor)
  • Estacado
  • IL Texas Garland
  • A.C. Jones
  • Turner College & Career
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post Nov 26 2017, 02:22 PM
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This is making my head spin. At least t-shirt sizes are consistent across the USAD space.

Oh, wait, I forgot about China when I typed that. I'm an XXL in the USA, but I'm in "European" sizes in China, which is their euphemism for "Big and Tall".

So, what *does* USAD mean when it says "Large"????


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post Nov 28 2017, 05:40 AM
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Figures, the first year Lebanon Trail has a shot at going to Nationals it's in Frisco. Oh well...we'd be happy to go.
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post Nov 28 2017, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE (zzzptm @ Nov 26 2017, 10:22 AM) *
This is making my head spin. At least t-shirt sizes are consistent across the USAD space.

Oh, wait, I forgot about China when I typed that. I'm an XXL in the USA, but I'm in "European" sizes in China, which is their euphemism for "Big and Tall".

So, what *does* USAD mean when it says "Large"????

What do you mean exactly? International schools follow the same size divisions as US schools, if that's what you're getting at. Really though, China calls those "European" sizes?? xD

QUOTE (mrstewart @ Nov 28 2017, 01:40 AM) *
Figures, the first year Lebanon Trail has a shot at going to Nationals it's in Frisco. Oh well...we'd be happy to go.

This occurred to me too... not the most exciting. sad.gif Maybe you can keep your enrollment just under 1300 next year and still qualify for Minnesota if Texas gets another wildcard? (And/or win State with 56k in 2020 with your four-year-experienced team?)

Also, the "first year" you have a shot? This makes it sound like you've been waiting forever, but you've literally been around one year!! tongue.gif
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post Nov 29 2017, 12:39 AM
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Those Texas snapshot numbers for next year's UIL realignment have already been submitted. You can see the list of reported numbers at this page - https://www.texasfootball.com/snapshot/ We won't know until February what the new UIL cutoff number will be for deciding if a school is 6A or 5A in Texas, but some of the schools that are probably paying close attention to that cutoff number (which was 2150 two years ago) will be Highland Park (2180), Friendswood (2108 - they will almost certainly drop back down to medium for AcDec purposes), and Mansfield Summit (2182). Lebanon Trail submitted a number of 1757.

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post Nov 29 2017, 04:39 AM
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QUOTE (ridgepoinths @ Nov 28 2017, 07:39 PM) *
Those Texas snapshot numbers for next year's UIL realignment have already been submitted. You can see the list of reported numbers at this page - https://www.texasfootball.com/snapshot/ We won't know until February what the new UIL cutoff number will be for deciding if a school is 6A or 5A in Texas, but some of the schools that are probably paying close attention to that cutoff number (which was 2150 two years ago) will be Highland Park (2180), Friendswood (2108 - they will almost certainly drop back down to medium for AcDec purposes), and Mansfield Summit (2182). Lebanon Trail submitted a number of 1757.


I clicked that link and got a pop-up for Texas football gifts (no surprise), and was about to close it, but then I saw the the Texas football gift includes "Dave Campbell" merchandise and I got super excited thinking it would be TinDeFacto's godfather (the top Varsity at Nationals/1990!!). Of course it's a different Dave Campbell, but I still got excited. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 29 2017, 05:56 AM
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QUOTE (madcap @ Nov 28 2017, 10:39 PM) *
QUOTE (ridgepoinths @ Nov 28 2017, 07:39 PM) *
Those Texas snapshot numbers for next year's UIL realignment have already been submitted. You can see the list of reported numbers at this page - https://www.texasfootball.com/snapshot/ We won't know until February what the new UIL cutoff number will be for deciding if a school is 6A or 5A in Texas, but some of the schools that are probably paying close attention to that cutoff number (which was 2150 two years ago) will be Highland Park (2180), Friendswood (2108 - they will almost certainly drop back down to medium for AcDec purposes), and Mansfield Summit (2182). Lebanon Trail submitted a number of 1757.


I clicked that link and got a pop-up for Texas football gifts (no surprise), and was about to close it, but then I saw the the Texas football gift includes "Dave Campbell" merchandise and I got super excited thinking it would be TinDeFacto's godfather (the top Varsity at Nationals/1990!!). Of course it's a different Dave Campbell, but I still got excited. biggrin.gif

I kept reading that as "TinDeFacto's grandfather" and was wondering how the heck a man ~45 years old would be a grandfather to a 21 (22?)-year old. facepalm.gif

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post Nov 29 2017, 11:53 AM
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I remember last time we looked at this Summit was just below the cutoff. If the number is around 2170 or so, then they will not avoid the jump this year sad.gif

There's an old wive's tale about the 6a cutoff being "Highland Park +1". I don't think that will hold this year, although UIL gives themselves a wide berth of selecting where the cutoff is. Friendswood will definitely move down, and the Lubbock schools are not reported on here, so it will be interesting to see where they end up for medium championship purposes.
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post Nov 29 2017, 11:57 AM
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Schools not on list:
Coppell
Nimitz
Plano East
Plano Senior
Marcus
Lubbock
Lubbock Monterey

Both of the Lubbock schools were pretty close to the cutoff last time, especially Monterey.
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post Nov 29 2017, 08:44 PM
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QUOTE (ridgepoinths @ Nov 28 2017, 08:39 PM) *
Those Texas snapshot numbers for next year's UIL realignment have already been submitted. You can see the list of reported numbers at this page - https://www.texasfootball.com/snapshot/ We won't know until February what the new UIL cutoff number will be for deciding if a school is 6A or 5A in Texas, but some of the schools that are probably paying close attention to that cutoff number (which was 2150 two years ago) will be Highland Park (2180), Friendswood (2108 - they will almost certainly drop back down to medium for AcDec purposes), and Mansfield Summit (2182). Lebanon Trail submitted a number of 1757.

Ooh, I didn't know this existed! Awesome!! Yeah, that's about how many students Lebanon Trail will have once they have all four grades (2020), but next year they could be around 1300 -- probably a bit more, but if not, they'd still be eligible to be a wildcard team even if their UIL status is based on a higher number.

QUOTE (Stanley Tree @ Nov 29 2017, 07:53 AM) *
I remember last time we looked at this Summit was just below the cutoff. If the number is around 2170 or so, then they will not avoid the jump this year sad.gif

There's an old wive's tale about the 6a cutoff being "Highland Park +1". I don't think that will hold this year, although UIL gives themselves a wide berth of selecting where the cutoff is. Friendswood will definitely move down, and the Lubbock schools are not reported on here, so it will be interesting to see where they end up for medium championship purposes.

Aww, Summit moving up. sad.gif It's crazy how many schools are right around the cutoff; I hate how everything changes so much from year to year. These past two years, Medium has been dominated by Highland Park, Summit, and the Lubbock schools. Next year maybe they'll all move up and instead it'll be only Friendswood in their place (or theoretically Rockwall, Rockwall-Heath, J.J. Pearce, and lots of other schools that have bounced around in the past, though their numbers all look much higher now). Ugh, I care too much about consistency.

QUOTE (madcap @ Nov 29 2017, 12:39 AM) *
I clicked that link and got a pop-up for Texas football gifts (no surprise), and was about to close it, but then I saw the the Texas football gift includes "Dave Campbell" merchandise and I got super excited thinking it would be TinDeFacto's godfather (the top Varsity at Nationals/1990!!). Of course it's a different Dave Campbell, but I still got excited. biggrin.gif

Haha, aww, that's such a common name but I always get excited seeing it too. xD
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post Nov 29 2017, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE (Stanley Tree @ Nov 29 2017, 05:53 AM) *
I remember last time we looked at this Summit was just below the cutoff. If the number is around 2170 or so, then they will not avoid the jump this year sad.gif

There's an old wive's tale about the 6a cutoff being "Highland Park +1". I don't think that will hold this year, although UIL gives themselves a wide berth of selecting where the cutoff is. Friendswood will definitely move down, and the Lubbock schools are not reported on here, so it will be interesting to see where they end up for medium championship purposes.


That tale of the line being drawn at "Highland Park plus one" is interesting to us at Summit since our number right now is 2182 (TWO above Highland Park at 2180). We will likely move up to large (I don't know--just guessing) which makes our region competition easier but state, of course, more challenging--especially if Highland Park and the Lubbock schools move up as well. We will see...

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QUOTE (Stanley Tree @ Nov 29 2017, 11:57 AM) *
Schools not on list:
Coppell
Nimitz
Plano East
Plano Senior
Marcus
Lubbock
Lubbock Monterey

Both of the Lubbock schools were pretty close to the cutoff last time, especially Monterey.

We're below 2100, but not by much. Lubbock Monterrey and Coronado are both larger than us, so they might move up, and if they do, Talkington may be required to move up too. We're not moving up though, if I've been told correctly.
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post Dec 6 2017, 05:41 PM
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I guess we got kinda off-topic, but UIL announced its new cutoff numbers! 6A starts at a whopping 2190 and above, meaning that Highland Park is within Medium range, and that Friendswood will be moving down. Looking through that David Campbell list, it looks like they've added Lubbock schools, and all will stay Medium. Naaman Forest will also be moving down (meaning Highland Park will no longer be the sole Medium school in Region X). However, the number for Summit listed is actually 2215.5... meaning that, if these numbers are correct, it does look like they will be moving to Large after all!
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post Dec 6 2017, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (TinDefacto @ Dec 6 2017, 05:41 PM) *
I guess we got kinda off-topic, but UIL announced its new cutoff numbers! 6A starts at a whopping 2190 and above, meaning that Highland Park is within Medium range, and that Friendswood will be moving down. Looking through that David Campbell list, it looks like they've added Lubbock schools, and all will stay Medium. Naaman Forest will also be moving down (meaning Highland Park will no longer be the sole Medium school in Region X). However, the number for Summit listed is actually 2215.5... meaning that, if these numbers are correct, it does look like they will be moving to Large after all!


They really did it. Kept hp in medium again. 2190 was the closest number they could do while allowing them to be 5a.

Edit: looking at the numbers it keeps the same number of teams in both 6a and 5a so it seems fair.
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I always thought it would be interesting if a school gets bumped up to 6A or bumped down to 5A based on that .5 student count. Those half-students can be a bear to coach - they never give 100% rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 6 2017, 11:36 PM
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QUOTE (ridgepoinths @ Dec 6 2017, 06:11 PM) *
I always thought it would be interesting if a school gets bumped up to 6A or bumped down to 5A based on that .5 student count. Those half-students can be a bear to coach - they never give 100% rolleyes.gif

Posts like this make me really, really wish we had a like button. xD
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post Dec 7 2017, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE (TinDefacto @ Dec 6 2017, 06:36 PM) *
QUOTE (ridgepoinths @ Dec 6 2017, 06:11 PM) *
I always thought it would be interesting if a school gets bumped up to 6A or bumped down to 5A based on that .5 student count. Those half-students can be a bear to coach - they never give 100% rolleyes.gif

Posts like this make me really, really wish we had a like button. xD


Ahahahaha! But what does the .5 mean?
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University High in Fresno has about 450 students since it is a charter. I'll be curious to see if he gives up the team Online Nationals to attend the in-person nationals where his team won't be recognized. Their regional score was 46,121 without super quiz and 51,371 with. The next closest non large school to them is Lemoore middle college about 2500 points behind.
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