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> Does anything else matter, Except for score.
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post May 13 2009, 01:42 AM
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So today next year's coach (an English I teacher with a grudge agaisnt me since freshman year) told me that she would prefer it if I wasn't on the team next year. Among other reasons she mentioned my negativity about the team's overall performance. This made me wonder, should a decathlete's attitude, among other things, help determine whether or not they are on the team, or is it just up to who scores the highest?
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post May 13 2009, 01:47 AM
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u should just tell her forget her b/c i'm the veteran here and already have competed and technically u are the rookie
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post May 13 2009, 01:49 AM
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u should just tell her forget her b/c i'm the veteran here and already have competed and technically u are the rookie

I am sure that will go over splendidly!
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post May 13 2009, 01:49 AM
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Absolutely, attitude should matter. A Decathlete who can't get along with the rest of the team could cause other people's scores to decrease, make competition a less enjoyable experience for everybody, and ultimately cause serious damage to the school's Decathlon program. Unfortunately, my team never had the luxury of picking people based on attitude; we were usually just scrambling to get enough decent scorers to make a full team. But if your school has a larger pool to draw from, it should definitely be taken into consideration.
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post May 13 2009, 01:51 AM
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How would someone's attitude decrease other people's scores?
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post May 13 2009, 01:52 AM
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But yeah i agree with will u want people with positive attitude. Let's just put it this way despite how well Terrell Owens perform do u really want him on ur team? If ur answer is yes then just pick whoever, if no then find the type of people who are willing to work with others cooperatively
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post May 13 2009, 01:56 AM
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QUOTE (gabrielcunha.7 @ May 12 2009, 05:51 PM) *
How would someone's attitude decrease other people's scores?

Good teams require huge amounts of teamwork to get high scores. Studying and practicing together as a team is the best way to improve everyone's score. A person who detracts from the team dynamic jeopardizes the team's ability to do so.
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post May 13 2009, 01:56 AM
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As it stands now, we've cut contact with a team member this year for his attitude and said that unless he makes a radical change of course sometime very soon, we don't want him with us next year, and we won't get him guides.

It absolutely does matter. Team sports are serious business.
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post May 13 2009, 01:56 AM
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Acadec sure isn't an individual sport. Scores might not be decreased because the team doesn't care for each other, but scores won't get that boost that come from working together as a team. Acadec really creates a kinda friendship between team members. I made real good friends with people I never really paid much attention to. It really helps to have that motivation that comes from a mutual effort to win as a team as opposed to a medal Free For All.
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post May 13 2009, 01:56 AM
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I guess even though I'm all for the individual and the recognition of the individual, you have to admit that personal attitude affects team performance. If you, Gabriel are the veteran, all the other kids look up to you. They listen to everything you say. Because of that, you have to always watch your attitude.

I know because that's the position I was in this year. Out of the two veterans, I am the more vocal and passionate about team performance. Hard to believe, I know. But I had to catch myself from telling the team we were going to lose because of our varsities all the time. Think about it this way. If you walk into afterschool practice ranting about how varsities suck and they're going to cost you the championship, how will that make them feel? If you - the veteran - think there's no shot, how will the rookie view the team's chances. And if someone feels the team is destined to fail from day one, why then, they won't work as hard, will they. It will decrease from a big activity to a mere collegeapplicationextracurricularboxtofillout.

I gues that's why your attitude matters.
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post May 13 2009, 01:59 AM
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QUOTE (AK_WDB @ May 12 2009, 06:56 PM) *
QUOTE (gabrielcunha.7 @ May 12 2009, 05:51 PM) *
How would someone's attitude decrease other people's scores?

Good teams require huge amounts of teamwork to get high scores. Studying and practicing together as a team is the best way to improve everyone's score. A person who detracts from the team dynamic jeopardizes the team's ability to do so.

Yet, if I had been kicked off, our collective team score would've dropped 1,300 points, not to mention we only studied together during state.
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post May 13 2009, 02:00 AM
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QUOTE (gabrielcunha.7 @ May 12 2009, 05:59 PM) *
QUOTE (AK_WDB @ May 12 2009, 06:56 PM) *
QUOTE (gabrielcunha.7 @ May 12 2009, 05:51 PM) *
How would someone's attitude decrease other people's scores?

Good teams require huge amounts of teamwork to get high scores. Studying and practicing together as a team is the best way to improve everyone's score. A person who detracts from the team dynamic jeopardizes the team's ability to do so.

Yet, if I had been kicked off, our collective team score would've dropped 1,300 points, not to mention we only studied together during state.

I don't know you, so I'm not making any judgment about whether your coach is right. Also, if your team only studies together during state, that is probably the first problem you need to fix.
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post May 13 2009, 02:01 AM
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Congrats, you're a star team member. Read my above post, then respond to that. But I will say this. Will probably gained his team 1500-2000 points. I gained my team 1700. That doesn't mean attitudes don't matter. I'd like to think that my real contribution to the team was more than 1700 points because I also inspired people to work harder for the good of the team by always keeping a positive attitude. Negativity already comes from the coach. It doesn't need to come from the kids, too.
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post May 13 2009, 02:06 AM
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QUOTE (gabrielcunha.7 @ May 13 2009, 02:59 AM) *
QUOTE (AK_WDB @ May 12 2009, 06:56 PM) *
QUOTE (gabrielcunha.7 @ May 12 2009, 05:51 PM) *
How would someone's attitude decrease other people's scores?

Good teams require huge amounts of teamwork to get high scores. Studying and practicing together as a team is the best way to improve everyone's score. A person who detracts from the team dynamic jeopardizes the team's ability to do so.

Yet, if I had been kicked off, our collective team score would've dropped 1,300 points, not to mention we only studied together during state.


Missing the point here.

Look, you can't just look at somebody's score in November and be like "yo, you're better than this guy because your score halfway into competition season is better than this person's". You definitely need to look at team dynamics and stop being so objective. If I'm studying really hard, doing okay anyways, and then someone is like "man dude, you suck, we're screwed because of you", it's not going to lead to a boost in studying or love for the program, which leads to a positive feedback loop (SQ '07, ANYBODY?!) and it will just continue to get worse...and worse...and worse. And pretty soon, you being an a-hole has cost your team. So, yea, being a positive person, keeping your head, and being social and bonding directly correlate to score.

Per example, adding onto what Awesum Kid just said: we had four amazing honors my year, but we cut the third place guy in favor of the fourth place girl because the third place guy was in it for himself. That decision by our coaches probably gained us a good 4-500 points, because our third honors studied well with our second scholastic, and thus made her more motivated to work. Also, Sophy Lee alone as a good, positive team captain probably gave us a decent 8-9,000 points. So yea, if your the best person on your team, you can't just assume that everyone else should be scoring what you are. Encourage them, don't berate.
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post May 13 2009, 02:07 AM
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QUOTE (TheAwesomeKid @ May 12 2009, 08:56 PM) *
I guess even though I'm all for the individual and the recognition of the individual, you have to admit that personal attitude affects team performance. If you, Gabriel are the veteran, all the other kids look up to you. They listen to everything you say. Because of that, you have to always watch your attitude.

I know because that's the position I was in this year. Out of the two veterans, I am the more vocal and passionate about team performance. Hard to believe, I know. But I had to catch myself from telling the team we were going to lose because of our varsities all the time. Think about it this way. If you walk into afterschool practice ranting about how varsities suck and they're going to cost you the championship, how will that make them feel? If you - the veteran - think there's no shot, how will the rookie view the team's chances. And if someone feels the team is destined to fail from day one, why then, they won't work as hard, will they. It will decrease from a big activity to a mere collegeapplicationextracurricularboxtofillout.

I gues that's why your attitude matters.


most definately if you are a leader its ur job to encourage the other members. It's easy to rant about varsities but that doesn't help anything except lower morale and definately lead them not to study. Besides the experience of studying together and improving as a team outweighs anything one might individually do. And lastly remember u advance as a TEAM not as an individual, so a person with a bad attitude will help their team

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post May 13 2009, 02:09 AM
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QUOTE (the godfather @ May 12 2009, 08:07 PM) *
QUOTE (TheAwesomeKid @ May 12 2009, 08:56 PM) *
I guess even though I'm all for the individual and the recognition of the individual, you have to admit that personal attitude affects team performance. If you, Gabriel are the veteran, all the other kids look up to you. They listen to everything you say. Because of that, you have to always watch your attitude.

I know because that's the position I was in this year. Out of the two veterans, I am the more vocal and passionate about team performance. Hard to believe, I know. But I had to catch myself from telling the team we were going to lose because of our varsities all the time. Think about it this way. If you walk into afterschool practice ranting about how varsities suck and they're going to cost you the championship, how will that make them feel? If you - the veteran - think there's no shot, how will the rookie view the team's chances. And if someone feels the team is destined to fail from day one, why then, they won't work as hard, will they. It will decrease from a big activity to a mere collegeapplicationextracurricularboxtofillout.

I gues that's why your attitude matters.


most definately if you are a leader its ur job to encourage the other members. It's easy to rant about varsities but that doesn't help anything except lower morale and definately lead them not to study. Besides the experience of studying together and improving as a team outweighs anything one might individually do. And lastly remember u advance as a TEAM not as an individual, so a person with a better attitude will hurt their team

HuH?
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post May 13 2009, 02:09 AM
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Our team got along fairly well, one member could be considered moody and another a troublemaker, but in the end we all were the ones who made our team of 9 out of 40+ possible. Sure, things other than score matter (like if your choices are going to arrange things like parties and fight clubs), but if your contribution to the team score should be the #1 deciding factor, in my opinion.
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post May 13 2009, 02:10 AM
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Wow dude, stop focusing on little things in this topic, otherwise you're not going to get anything, and will get kicked off your team.
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post May 13 2009, 02:11 AM
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QUOTE (JBroms @ May 13 2009, 03:09 AM) *
Our team got along fairly well, one member could be considered moody and another a troublemaker, but in the end we all were the ones who made our team of 9 out of 40+ possible. Sure, things other than score matter (like if your choices are going to arrange things like parties and fight clubs), but if your contribution to the team score should be the #1 deciding factor, in my opinion.


Score is #1, but if you're going to decrease scores around you by being an ass, then it kinda counterbalances itself.
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post May 13 2009, 02:11 AM
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May I also add, I did not insult any of my teammates, rather, the coach doesn't seem to like me for stuff that I did 2 years ago, as well as my disappointment with the team's performance during this past meet.
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