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post May 16 2009, 07:47 AM
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http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,...00.html?cnn=yes

You ain't the Catholic you thought you were, son.
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post May 16 2009, 07:53 AM
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There's nothing like the zeal of a convert, but Gingrich may find it's awkward to try to be more Catholic than the Pope.


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post May 16 2009, 08:08 AM
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Good ol' Newt. Doing his best to keep the Republican Party classy
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post May 16 2009, 08:23 AM
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The two spoke directly less than a week later, and the Pope sent yet another telegram on Jan. 20 when Obama was inaugurated.

i knew it! obama is a traitorous papist who will sell us to rome at the slightest provocation!
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post May 17 2009, 12:46 AM
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Notre Dame could have avoided the brou-ha-ha... but they didn't.

It'll all blow over when Obama orders an invasion of Iran.


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post May 17 2009, 05:07 AM
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From personal experience, Catholic Universities and politics don't mix. When I visited Saint Louis University a year or two ago, someone in my tour group asked whether SLU would accept funds from a then proposed amendment in missouri that would have opened up private funding for stem-cell research. The tour guide dodged that question like will ferrel in a dodgeball match...
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post May 17 2009, 07:40 AM
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QUOTE (zzzptm @ May 16 2009, 05:46 PM) *
Notre Dame could have avoided the brou-ha-ha... but they didn't.

It'll all blow over when Obama orders an invasion of Iran.


Yeah...that'll be the day I vote Libertarian...
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post May 17 2009, 12:50 PM
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QUOTE (Captaink @ May 16 2009, 11:07 PM) *
From personal experience, Catholic Universities and politics don't mix. When I visited Saint Louis University a year or two ago, someone in my tour group asked whether SLU would accept funds from a then proposed amendment in missouri that would have opened up private funding for stem-cell research. The tour guide dodged that question like will ferrel in a dodgeball match...

Is this an allusion to some movie of his?
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post May 17 2009, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE (gabrielcunha.7 @ May 17 2009, 07:50 AM) *
QUOTE (Captaink @ May 16 2009, 11:07 PM) *
From personal experience, Catholic Universities and politics don't mix. When I visited Saint Louis University a year or two ago, someone in my tour group asked whether SLU would accept funds from a then proposed amendment in missouri that would have opened up private funding for stem-cell research. The tour guide dodged that question like will ferrel in a dodgeball match...

Is this an allusion to some movie of his?

Crap, forgot that that was the one movie will ferrel wasn't in with vince vaughn...
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post May 17 2009, 06:41 PM
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Heyyyy back on topic fellas!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/16/oba...dame/index.html

Now 19 people arrested outside of Notre Dame for protesting this...it gets better!
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post May 19 2009, 08:37 PM
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AND THE LEGEND OF THE POPE WAS WAY HARDCOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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post May 20 2009, 12:34 PM
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Offtopic post invisibled.

If abortion views were regionalized, we'd have another civil war, and that's the truth.


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post May 20 2009, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE (zzzptm @ May 20 2009, 01:34 PM) *
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If abortion views were regionalized, we'd have another civil war, and that's the truth.


Unlike a certain political party whose membership is 99.5% white, male, rich, quasi - racist and cranky, the Catholic church is truly a big tent with room for all. The current revanchist policies might reflect an infection of fundamentalism that will dissipate once the Light reveals how hypocritical most fundamentalists are. The problem with all fundamentalists (as I see it) is that in their desperate clinging to law, they totally abandon the spirit.
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post May 20 2009, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE (zzzptm @ May 20 2009, 04:34 AM) *
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If abortion views were regionalized, we'd have another civil war, and that's the truth.

I don't think so...the Civil War came about from arguments over the expansion of slavery into new territories, while abortion is already legal everywhere...still, I completely agree with your point that the issue has become infectious and is given way too much weight in politics today.

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If abortion views were regionalized, we'd have another civil war, and that's the truth.


Unlike a certain political party whose membership is 99.5% white, male, rich, quasi - racist and cranky

This is a totally ridiculous claim.
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the Catholic church is truly a big tent with room for all. The current revanchist policies might reflect an infection of fundamentalism that will dissipate once the Light reveals how hypocritical most fundamentalists are. The problem with all fundamentalists (as I see it) is that in their desperate clinging to law, they totally abandon the spirit.

Now here I agree. I'm not Catholic, but unlike many of my nonreligious friends, I'd prefer to be Catholic over most other religions, because it is a very inclusive and genuine church...certainly more in the Christian spirit than the fundamentalist Protestant groups whose main purpose seems to be telling people not to be gay or have abortions.
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post May 20 2009, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE (AK_WDB @ May 20 2009, 12:11 PM) *
certainly more in the Christian spirit than the fundamentalist Protestant groups whose main purpose seems to be telling people not to be gay or have abortions.

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This is a totally ridiculous claim.

There is way more involved in these churches. I think it is interesting how its OK for some to have their beliefs but it is "reprehensible" for the religious right to promote theirs.
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post May 20 2009, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (zzzptm @ May 20 2009, 06:34 AM) *
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If abortion views were regionalized, we'd have another civil war, and that's the truth.

This may be kinda off topic, but I once read a crappy book called Unwind in which they do have a civil war over abortion.
Their solution: retroactvely abort unruly teenagers for spare organs.
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post May 20 2009, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE (BadgerCam @ May 20 2009, 12:17 PM) *
QUOTE (AK_WDB @ May 20 2009, 12:11 PM) *
certainly more in the Christian spirit than the fundamentalist Protestant groups whose main purpose seems to be telling people not to be gay or have abortions.

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This is a totally ridiculous claim.

There is way more involved in these churches. I think it is interesting how its OK for some to have their beliefs but it is "reprehensible" for the religious right to promote theirs.

I don't remember saying that, but I won't argue that I didn't or that it isn't my opinion. In response, I think the difference between having beliefs and promoting them is quite interesting. I would find it just as reprehensible if homosexuals attempted to infringe on your right to follow your faith. I believe that we should have the right to our own beliefs, and that the government should not interfere in the private lives of citizens if at all possible.

Basically, your direct comparison between people being allowed to "have" beliefs, which should always be permissible, and being able to "promote" their beliefs (i.e. force them on nonbelievers) is quite flawed.
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post May 20 2009, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE (TheWerg @ May 20 2009, 02:23 PM) *
QUOTE (BadgerCam @ May 20 2009, 12:17 PM) *
QUOTE (AK_WDB @ May 20 2009, 12:11 PM) *
certainly more in the Christian spirit than the fundamentalist Protestant groups whose main purpose seems to be telling people not to be gay or have abortions.

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This is a totally ridiculous claim.

There is way more involved in these churches. I think it is interesting how its OK for some to have their beliefs but it is "reprehensible" for the religious right to promote theirs.

I don't remember saying that, but I won't argue that I didn't or that it isn't my opinion. In response, I think the difference between having beliefs and promoting them is quite interesting. I would find it just as reprehensible if homosexuals attempted to infringe on your right to follow your faith. I believe that we should have the right to our own beliefs, and that the government should not interfere in the private lives of citizens if at all possible.

Basically, your direct comparison between people being allowed to "have" beliefs, which should always be permissible, and being able to "promote" their beliefs (i.e. force them on nonbelievers) is quite flawed.

Ah. There is the important point. Having the right to abortions is infringing on my belief that it is murder. Those that promote the right to have an abortion are doing nothing different from those promoting the opposite viewpoint. Thus the entire argument (on both sides) is flawed and we end up where we are today, still arguing over Roe v. Wade.
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post May 20 2009, 09:54 PM
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Clearly, it is ambiguous in the case of abortion. To you, it is murder. To others, it isn't. Therefore, in your own life, you can make that decision not to "murder" and to follow your beliefs. But if someone else doesn't agree on that point, you should not force that person to comply.

I must admit that I am far more ambivalent on the point of abortions than on most issues in which religion enters the political process, so I may not be the best one to argue it here.

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post May 20 2009, 10:40 PM
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Clearly, it is ambiguous in the case of abortion. To you, it is murder. To others, it isn't. Therefore, in your own life, you can make that decision not to "murder" and to follow your beliefs. But if someone else doesn't agree on that point, you should not force that person to comply.

I must admit that I am far more ambivalent on the point of abortions than on most issues in which religion enters the political process, so I may not be the best one to argue it here.

I am for abortion, but if you think someone's committing murder, shouldn't you stop them?

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