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> Best Texas schools of the decade, A tryout for the new formula.
Stanley Tree
post Jul 18 2009, 04:07 AM
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So, if anyone's interested, about to bust out a much better formula. It will penalize the missing scores a lot more, and it takes into account inflation. So, pretty damn good.


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C.Haines
post Jul 18 2009, 06:17 AM
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When is "about"? I'd like to see this list, personally.


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post Jul 18 2009, 06:56 AM
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It's done, and Ima start right now.

We be doin ze top 15.

15. Clements High School (Fort Bend)

2009: 42,066 (14th)
2008: 40,732 (21st)
2007: 40,102 (15th)
2006: 40,367 (15th)
2005: 38,978 (20th)
2004: 40,588 (14th)
2003: 40,694 (17th)
2002: 44,925 (8th)
2001: 40,244 (9th)
2000: 46,134 (10th)

Consistency is the name of the game for the Rangers of Clements high; after a solid start to the decade with three straight top tens, the program dropped into the mid teens and haven't really left it too often. This is just an example of how much depth Texas has. And anyone expecting the same predictions as in the overall top 25 will need to keep reading.


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post Jul 18 2009, 07:17 AM
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It's going to be interesting to see how many of these teams I've actually heard of...

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post Jul 18 2009, 01:20 PM
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I'm just wondering does your formula penalize missing scores because a school did not exist? If it does then Seven Lakes is probably not gonna be on this list.


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post Jul 18 2009, 03:49 PM
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Based on Dr. Roffles answer to his question in the other thread, I don't doubt that it does. Which, in my opinion, is the right thing to do.


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post Jul 18 2009, 03:51 PM
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There's a difference. Not having a team is one thing. The school not being around is completely different, and I really don't think you should be penalized for the latter........


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post Jul 18 2009, 03:54 PM
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Thanks Mr. Tree. I've only been coaching for a few years and I'm looking forward to seeing the scores from over the 10 year span.
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post Jul 18 2009, 04:10 PM
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I disagree JBroms. Otherwise, you could argue that Liberty should be on this list as well (which I'm not).

Because, in the last three years (the only years our school has existed), we have averaged at least 1000 points higher than Clements High did over all ten. And, if you just compare the last 3 years of their scores versus ours, that gap jumps even more. So yes, I believe that you should be penalized for not being in existence.


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post Jul 18 2009, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE (C.Haines @ Jul 18 2009, 09:10 AM) *
I disagree JBroms. Otherwise, you could argue that Liberty should be on this list as well (which I'm not).

Because, in the last three years (the only years our school has existed), we have averaged at least 1000 points higher than Clements High did over all ten. And, if you just compare the last 3 years of their scores versus ours, that gap jumps even more. So yes, I believe that you should be penalized for not being in existence.

But you where not one of the best of the decade because you where not around for most of it.


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post Jul 18 2009, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE (BadgerCam @ Jul 18 2009, 09:47 AM) *
QUOTE (C.Haines @ Jul 18 2009, 09:10 AM) *
I disagree JBroms. Otherwise, you could argue that Liberty should be on this list as well (which I'm not).

Because, in the last three years (the only years our school has existed), we have averaged at least 1000 points higher than Clements High did over all ten. And, if you just compare the last 3 years of their scores versus ours, that gap jumps even more. So yes, I believe that you should be penalized for not being in existence.

But you where not one of the best of the decade because you where not around for most of it.

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post Jul 18 2009, 06:56 PM
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He could also use a definition of "But". That is exactly what C.Haines was claiming. That they don't belong on the list since they weren't around.


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post Jul 18 2009, 07:08 PM
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I don't think a school should be penalized for not existing though - I think Liberty is legitimately one of the top 15 texas schools of the decade. The last three years they have been stellar (I think top 10 overall each time), and last year they were 2nd or 3rd overall. Same with Seven Lakes. If those schools had opened up in 2000, with the same coaches, there's no reason they wouldn't have been as successful in the same amount of time. That's the difference between not existing and not qualifying for competition.
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post Jul 18 2009, 07:32 PM
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lets hear what the dr of roffles has to say on the subject, for his word is law.


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post Jul 18 2009, 10:58 PM
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Or maybe just see what thebguy who's making the list says tongue.gif


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post Jul 18 2009, 11:43 PM
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QUOTE (TheWerg @ Jul 18 2009, 11:56 AM) *
He could also use a definition of "But". That is exactly what C.Haines was claiming. That they don't belong on the list since they weren't around.

I think I replied to the wrong person's post.


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post Jul 18 2009, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE (TheAwesomeKid @ Jul 18 2009, 07:08 PM) *
I don't think a school should be penalized for not existing though - I think Liberty is legitimately one of the top 15 texas schools of the decade. The last three years they have been stellar (I think top 10 overall each time), and last year they were 2nd or 3rd overall. Same with Seven Lakes. If those schools had opened up in 2000, with the same coaches, there's no reason they wouldn't have been as successful in the same amount of time. That's the difference between not existing and not qualifying for competition.


I agree, but the bottom line is that it is from 2000-2009. There will be some surprises on this list.

15. Clements High School (Fort Bend)
14. King High School (Corpus Christi)

2009: 43,392 (7th)
2008: 44,753 (8th)
2007: 41,241 (12th)
2006: 42,524 (5th)
2005: 40,432 (16th)
2004: 44,706 (5th)
2003: 36,575 (33rd)
2002: 43,339 (13th)
2001: 38,242 (14th)
2000: 43,348 (19th)

King has been one of the better programs of the late half of this decade, but before 2004 they were fairly average, with an abysmal 33rd place in 2003. King has been a damn good team since 2004, including two 5th places in 3 years. King has been coming into state higher than how they leave the past few years due to absurdly high subjective scoring lately. It will take King a dominant first place for them to crack a state championship soon, but I don't know if it's coming.


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post Jul 19 2009, 01:25 AM
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15. Clements High School (Fort Bend)
14. King High School (Corpus Christi)
13. Plano East High School (Plano)

2009: 41,823 (15th)
2008: 46,246 (5th)
2007: 42,849 (7th)
2006: 38,881 (19th)
2005: 37,969 (25th)
2004: 40,682 (13th)
2003: 43,723 (10th)
2002: 44,777 (9th)
2001: 40,815 (5th)
2000: 45,584 (13th)

Merely the second best program in their district, Plano East has been everywhere from the top 5 to 25th, including 5 top ten finishes in the decade. However, the problem for Plano East has been the inconsistency; two straight top 10s sandwiched by a 15th and 19th, and the middle of the decade only gave a 10th place finish to East. They were a surprise top 5 team in 2008, and hopefully they can bounce back from a relatively bad 15th place finish this year.

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post Jul 19 2009, 03:38 AM
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15. Clements High School (Fort Bend)
14. King High School (Corpus Christi)
13. Plano East High School (Plano)
12. Garland High School (Garland)

2009: 40,361 (19th)
2008: 38,945 (26th)
2007: 38,162 (25th)
2006: 38,870 (20th)
2005: 42,533 (8th)
2004: 45,379 (5th)
2003: 46,192 (3rd)
2002: 43,475 (12th)
2001: 41,719 (4th)
2000: 49,826 (3rd)


For almost decade between 1996 and 2005, Garland was considered the best program never to have won a championship. Their finishes from 1995 till 2001: 3,3,2,3,3,3,4; they were definitively the third best program in the state for that period, and could have won multiple national championships if Dobie and Taylor had not dominated the state and national landscape. After 2005, the program hit quite the snag, maybe due to a retiring coach or for whatever reason. Their 2009 19th-place finish is their best since 2005, but they will be losing both Jason Wolfe (mypetclone) and blooo (don't know his real name). At any rate, the tale of two half-decades puts Garland in the 12th spot.


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15. Clements High School (Fort Bend)
14. King High School (Corpus Christi)
13. Plano East High School (Plano)
12. Garland High School (Garland)
11. Keller High School (Keller)

2009: 41,402 (16th)
2008: 43,884 (10th)
2007: 43,125 (6th)
2006: 41,291 (11th)
2005: 46,783 (State Champions)
2004: 41,571 (12th)
2003: 46,590 (2nd)
2002: 47,303 (3rd)
2001: 37,160 (20th)
2000: Did not qualify

Probably the strangest group of scores I've seen. From not qualifying to winning a state championship in 5 years, this is a strange strange program. 3 top 5s, 5 top 10s clearly show that it is a legitimate program, but what I don't get is the years surrounding the championship, 11th and 12th place. Verrrry strange, and doesn't seem to pin a certain static something about this program. They have a new coach this year (maybe last year), and could make it an interesting next few years for the program.


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